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Question: What do you think of Margaret Thatcher as a person?
Good. - 16 (41%)
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 12:14 AM »
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Well whatever you and your Belfast friends think...I think the Hunger Strikes were just stupid. I agree with what the British did...to ignore them.

Just some caught terrorists looking for attention.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 12:31 AM »
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You have no ******* idea what kind of people they were and how men were interned all over the North for no apparent reason!
I have witnessed British education on these matters and how unsympathetic people have become to so many of the atrocities that happened here.
Not so long ago Irish catholics were treated in the same way that Iraqis and Afghans are now, we were seen as terrorists to many in Britain.
Britain are making the same mistakes however and in turn are creating new generations of militants who want to rise up against this ignorance.
My father knew men that died in the hunger strikes, human beings, not just a name that many unfortunate people died under.
I knew people who were shot dead, murdered in cold blood.
I witnessed countless bomb scares and evacuations, and have some very painful childhood memories.
When groups of people are generalised in this way, it increases the hatred that still burns inside many of us and will probably never leave.
I feel that you have come out with some absolute political drivel in the past Tommy, but I'm not sure you have ever felt the effect of the misjudgment of people in power personally.
You are entitled to idolise Thatcher in this misguided way if you wish, but people will and have the right to compare her to the monstrous dictators as they have done tonight and they can also openly declare their hatred for her policies and behavior.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 12:41 AM »
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Im sorry you grew up in such horrid conditions. I am sorry.

I get that people thought the Northerners were terrorists, how you can blame them I dont know when Irish terrorists were bombing England and killing English. So I can not blame the English for calling the Irish terrorists.

But I dont remember saying the British were angels to the Irish..I swear you must forget I grew up in and live in Ireland.
I know and have had in the past bad feelings towards the British in general. But yet I was born in Cardiff so I am British myself.

What I will not agree to is calling Thatcher a murderer. She is not. Hate her all you like, post insults about her all you like. But you have to understand that she did try and improve the situation in Northern Ireland. Sadly...people hated (and still do) each other too much.



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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #33 on: February 11, 2008, 12:51 AM »
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Im sorry you grew up in such horrid conditions. I am sorry.

I get that people thought the Northerners were terrorists, how you can blame them I dont know when Irish terrorists were bombing England and killing English. So I can not blame the English for calling the Irish terrorists.

But I dont remember saying the British were angels to the Irish..I swear you must forget I grew up in and live in Ireland.
I know and have had in the past bad feelings towards the British in general. But yet I was born in Cardiff so I am British myself.

What I will not agree to is calling Thatcher a murderer. She is not. Hate her all you like, post insults about her all you like. But you have to understand that she did try and improve the situation in Northern Ireland. Sadly...people hated (and still do) each other too much.




Do not say that we have to understand that she tried to improve the situation in Northern Ireland......I am entitled to my own opinion and entirely disagree!
Try to understand that it is not so black and white!!

I know that you lived in Ireland before and live there now, but you did not live all that time in the place where it was hit the worst and you have still clearly failed to educate yourself on what really happened!

I can and will blame the English for calling the Irish, terrorists! It is the same small-minded people that target Iraqis and Afghans in Britain today!

The English army have terrorised and murdered civilians in their own country and in other countries, are they terrorists Tommy?
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #34 on: February 11, 2008, 12:56 AM »
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You misread what I said, I meant to get across that the British are wrong for calling us terrorists, just as we are wrong for calling all Muslim's terrorists. I am trying to say I understand why they called us what they called us what they did, just asI use to fear all Muslims. Its wrong, but its not evil.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #35 on: February 11, 2008, 06:39 AM »
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just as we are wrong for calling all Muslim's terrorists.


Indeed not all Muslims are terrorists, by far, but the definition of terrorism often matches the assaults they have committed. It's daft to run away from that and think nothing of it is true.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #36 on: February 11, 2008, 08:47 AM »
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Personally, I'd like to thank the Irish for bombing Manchester.  We have new fabulous shopping facilities and its all modern and stuff Very Happy  lol
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #37 on: February 11, 2008, 09:13 AM »
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Muslims are known as terrorists and frankly I don't really care because I strongly dislike their religion. However, it's important we are not hypocritical here, much of our armed forces are essentially terrorists as well but are just following orders.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #38 on: February 11, 2008, 10:04 AM »
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I don't agree. I'm not saying the war in Iraq was right, but in my eyes, a terrorist is only someone who targets the civilian population, which the armed forces weren't. I'm not saying there weren't civilian casualties, but that wasn't their aim. Unlike the muslim extremists who go for civilians.
Concerning Thatcher, I can't say whether her policies were right or wrong concerning Northern Ireland, because I have no idea, but one thing for sure - she definitely did what she thought was best for her country, that is, I don't believe she was an intrinsically bad person. I'm not saying you can't blame her, or hate her, but I believe she did what she thought was best.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #39 on: February 11, 2008, 10:06 AM »
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Another example, I believe is the Palestinian terrorists who aim for civilians. I'm not saying the Israeli government are right, but you can't call them terrorists, since they go for the militants, even though there are civilian casualties.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #40 on: February 11, 2008, 10:34 AM »
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I'm not saying the Israeli government are right, but you can't call them terrorists, since they go for the militants, even though there are civilian casualties.


Israel can include UN observers and power stations / public utilities in their collateral damage, are these not acts of terrorism?

They would be considered to be terrorist acts if carried out by a paramilitary organisation so why not if carried out by a nation state.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #41 on: February 11, 2008, 11:17 AM »
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In answer to the first question, and main point of this thread, Margaret Thatcher is extremly bad, I despise the woman truly do.


Muslims are known as terrorists and frankly I don't really care because I strongly dislike their religion. However, it's important we are not hypocritical here, much of our armed forces are essentially terrorists as well but are just following orders.


I read the first part of this post and was shocked, but then sighed a small sigh of relief after reading the last.
Muslims are not terroists, you cannot forget it's the minority not the majority, same goes for everything.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #42 on: February 11, 2008, 11:24 AM »
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I certainly didn't say they were, that's would be completely stupid. It's a vast minority that are terrorists but then there is a significant portion of the Muslim community that sympathise with the terrorist's actions which I find worrying.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #43 on: February 11, 2008, 11:24 AM »
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Mark, can we not get a poll on is the Thatch good or bad, It may provide an unscientific representation of what is really thought of her.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #44 on: February 11, 2008, 11:26 AM »
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I certainly didn't say they were, that's would be completely stupid. It's a vast minority that are terrorists but then there is a significant portion of the Muslim community that sympathise with the terrorist's actions which I find worrying.


But on the other hand there is a LARGE majority who have no intentions and do not wish to be associated with these extremists!

And yes Mark, make a poll on the old hag.
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