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Margaret Thatcher - good or bad?

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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #300 on: April 10, 2013, 02:53 PM »
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When Thatcher was first elected, the UK was broke. Labour had brought in 33% tax for low earners and a top rate of 98% - yes, 98%. The country was bust and had to be subsidised by the IMF. We had strikes, picket lines, power cuts and rubbish not being collected. In Liverpool, even the gravediggers were on strike.

Thatcher was supposed to have wrecked our manufacturing sector, but it was already dead. We were manufacturing crap steel and garbage cars, of which those from British Leyland were the worst. The mines were penniless - there was no seam left to mine. It was a dystopian society. We were on our knees.

Whatever followed was sure to be difficult and there was bound to be pain. When Labour finally got back into power in 1997, the economy was booming and unemployment was low. We were among the world’s leading manufacturing nations, once again making great cars and turning out good-quality steel.

Thatcher handed over a robust economy to Labour, who could have used this as a foundation to tackle the social issues she admittedly hadn’t, as she devoted herself almost entirely to fixing our economy. But Labour dropped the ball and deregulated the banks so that the London boys could take all the dosh. Amazingly, all the northern heartlands still continued to support the champagne socialists.

These wet-behind-the-ears idiots in clown costumes dancing around the streets of Glasgow this week focus only on the necessary anguish caused by Thatcher’s changes. They ignore the parlous state of the nation in 1979.

The 1970s won’t easily be forgotten by those who endured them. The country was on its knees, thanks to crappy socialist control of industry. These left-wing policies, wherever and whenever they’ve been implemented, have always failed.

Looking at the UK in 1979, what would you have done?
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #301 on: April 10, 2013, 03:01 PM »
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And for those who say it was Thatcher who deregulated the banks, think again.

In 1997, The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced the deregulation of the banks and other financial institutions. They freed the Bank of England from direct government control and removed the power by the Bank of England (and therefore by the government) from controlling the financial activities of banks in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deregulation

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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #302 on: April 10, 2013, 03:37 PM »
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And Thatcher was lucky that the oil really started to flow just at that time and kept us afloat.   Otherwise she would not have had the money for the unemployment bill.    I think anyone who lived through the 70s would agree that Britain needed fixing.    It's just a pity there was noone around with skill and imagination to negotiate their way to prosperity using the manna from heaven.   Unfortunately not much has changed since.    As for Spain - they are risking a breakdown in their society because there are not enough jobs.     In any case as bad as this country is, I would hate to live in a society where you didn't give a helping hand to someone in need.    
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #303 on: April 10, 2013, 03:49 PM »
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And Thatcher was lucky that the oil really started to flow just at that time and kept us afloat.   Otherwise she would not have had the money for the unemployment bill.    I think anyone who lived through the 70s would agree that Britain needed fixing.    It's just a pity there was noone around with skill and imagination to negotiate their way to prosperity using the manna from heaven.   Unfortunately not much has changed since.    As for Spain - they are risking a breakdown in their society because there are not enough jobs.     In any case as bad as this country is, I would hate to live in a society where you didn't give a helping hand to someone in need.   

There's someone in need and then there's the army of p**stakers we have in the UK.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #304 on: April 10, 2013, 04:22 PM »
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There's someone in need and then there's the army of p**stakers we have in the UK.

I don't think it's an army and I would willingly weed out the cheats.    Noone likes to see their taxes being wasted.    But I don't like benefit fraud being picked on when cheating the tax man is looked on as a bit of a game.   I think you will always have people who cheat and you have to put up with a bit of it to make sure help goes where it is needed.    All you can do is try to keep it to a minimum.       
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #305 on: April 10, 2013, 04:24 PM »
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I wasn't talking about benefit fraud. I was referring to the benefits that people are legally entitled to, and shouldn't be.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #306 on: April 10, 2013, 04:29 PM »
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I wasn't talking about benefit fraud. I was referring to the benefits that people are legally entitled to, and shouldn't be.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #307 on: April 10, 2013, 04:32 PM »
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I wasn't talking about benefit fraud. I was referring to the benefits that people are legally entitled to, and shouldn't be.

Can you list them please?
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #308 on: April 10, 2013, 04:41 PM »
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Grabcopy you talk so much sense - thank you.

It annoys me that 2 members of my family have blue badges and shouldn't in my opinion.

My dear late mum used to get Attendance Allowance which she spent on watching Premiership football matches on TV.  Bless her, she did love it, but the money could have been spent on others.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #309 on: April 10, 2013, 04:42 PM »
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Well, income support (look at all the taxi drivers mysteriously working under 16 hours a week), working tax credits, child tax credits and housing benefit just for starters.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #310 on: April 10, 2013, 04:43 PM »
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Grabcopy you talk so much sense - thank you.

It annoys me that 2 members of my family have blue badges and shouldn't in my opinion.

My dear late mum used to get Attendance Allowance which she spent on watching Premiership football matches on TV.  Bless her, she did love it, but the money could have been spent on others.

I didn't say there weren't any deserving causes.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #311 on: April 10, 2013, 05:07 PM »
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If you were in charge Nigel we would be living on bread and water. Many people struggle my daughter for one she is a one parent family her partner was killed. She has gone to college and then on to university and struggled to get by. She has had little help and has just got her own home a few months ago. A lot of people who receive benefits deserve them they do not get them for nothing. She will graduate in June and will be looking for work. During the summer break she worked as a carer to make ends meet. Not everyone on benefits are scroungers. God save us from the likes of Osbourne and his tory cronies.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #312 on: April 10, 2013, 05:10 PM »
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I never said some people don't deserve benefits. They do. Of course they do. A society must look after the truly needy, and I'm really sorry about your daughter's partner.

I was referring to the millions getting something for nothing, producing kids as meal tickets and taking the incapacity benefit system for a ride.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #313 on: April 10, 2013, 05:11 PM »
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And what about winter fuel allowance (which you can claim in Spain)? The old guy I know spent it on an iMac.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher - good or bad? « Reply #314 on: April 10, 2013, 05:26 PM »
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You must know some terrible people, Nigel.

You should widen your social circle a bit.
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