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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3540 on: Yesterday at 10:57 PM »
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Never in doubt, assuming Nicola does become his successor, but even if she isn't I'm sure the string-pulling will still go on.

A bit insulting to Nicola.    She doesn't look much like a marionette.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3541 on: Yesterday at 11:00 PM »
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A bit insulting to Nicola.    She doesn't look much like a marionette.

Looks can be deceptive!
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3542 on: Yesterday at 11:04 PM »
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  I think Salmond may return to lead the Westminster party - I think he may be hoping to capitalise on a good pro-indy vote in 2015. Sturgeon is more than capable of running Scotland while Alec struts the UK stage. Watch this space!
I'm absolutely convinced that politics haven't seen the last of Wee Eck, one way or another.

A bit insulting to Nicola.    She doesn't look much like a marionette.
I wasn't intending to be insulting to Nicola.  In fact I have more respect for her than I have for him, but somebody has to be the leader and I can't see Salmond relinquishing that even although he's no longer FM.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3543 on: Yesterday at 11:12 PM »
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  One suggestion is that perhaps a  majority of constituencies by pro-independence parties either at Holyrood or Westminster might be enough to legitimise independence negotiations.
Nope.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3544 on: Yesterday at 11:14 PM »
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You want out UK but you don't mind being dominated in the EU by France and Germany.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3545 on: Yesterday at 11:25 PM »
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You want out UK but you don't mind being dominated in the EU by France and Germany.
  Now you're getting it! WE want to deal with the organgrinders, not the monkey.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3546 on: Yesterday at 11:26 PM »
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Nope.
  Nope what? Nope it's not a suggestion, or Nope it's not possible, or nope it's not going to happen?
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3547 on: Yesterday at 11:30 PM »
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A bit insulting to Nicola.    She doesn't look much like a marionette.
  She's more of a nippy sweetie, I'll bet. Reputedly she's the only cabinet member who can win arguments with Alec.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3548 on: Yesterday at 11:32 PM »
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You want out UK but you don't mind being dominated in the EU by France and Germany.
This was the one issue I wasn't happy about when it came to independence, because I detest the EU and being dictated to by our masters in Brussels.  My only hope was Salmond might have the guts to stand up to them and protect Scotland from the worst of its ravages - provided of course that Scotland was actually allowed to become a member of the EU, a matter which seemed to be rather fudged.


  She's more of a nippy sweetie, I'll bet. Reputedly she's the only cabinet member who can win arguments with Alec.
Maybe because Alec lets her. wink  Seriously though, never under-estimate the power of many women when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. Whistle
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3549 on: Today at 12:42 AM »
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You're both fans of democracy, as long as the answer is what you want, right? Rolling Eyes
Boogers, how democratic was it to change the goalposts after the postal vote had begun, offering a new devolution deal with a couple of weeks to go before the vote? Then within five minutes of the vote closing it suddenly all became about England with the first BBC interviewee Nigel Farage. 45% wanted to leave UK. That is a strong movement which is unlikely to disappear. I hope it doesn't as I am more and more convinced we could thrive as an independent country.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3550 on: Today at 02:41 AM »
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Boogers, how democratic was it to change the goalposts after the postal vote had begun, offering a new devolution deal with a couple of weeks to go before the vote? Then within five minutes of the vote closing it suddenly all became about England with the first BBC interviewee Nigel Farage. 45% wanted to leave UK. That is a strong movement which is unlikely to disappear. I hope it doesn't as I am more and more convinced we could thrive as an independent country.
MT - as one poster has pointed out, after seeing the figures massaged to his satisfaction, we're talking about "45% of those who voted. With 15% not voting, who would presumably have been No voters ... that brings the actual Yes vote down to about 38%."  The same poster then goes on to say that "I would also discount the vote of the impressionable under-18s, which further reduces the enthusiasm to about 30%. Hardly a ringing endorsement."

(a) I resent the arrogant fact that he considers ALL 16 and 17 year to be 'impressionable', because that certainly wasn't what I picked up from the 13,000 strong audience of that age group who attended a televised debate in Glasgow's Hydro about a week before the referendum.  In fact they sounded remarkably well informed and didn't hesitate to show the panel their approval or disapproval of the answers to their questions.

(b) While I agree that the alleged missing 15% can theoretically be described as No voters, what evidence is there to substantiate this?  While I'm prepared to accept that most of these invisible voters either couldn't be arsed turning up to vote, or didn't give a sh*t about which way the referendum went, or simply just couldn't make up their minds, I also know that there could well be a lot of people who were unable to vote, either due to unexpectedly having to leave the country on business, or for other circumstances beyond their control.  According to my voting card it SHOULD have been possible for them to apply for an emergency proxy vote, but I know of two people living in Edinburgh who tried doing this but who were unable to contact the Electoral Registration Officer, despite several attempts, in time to have a proxy arranged, which is a shame because both would have voted Yes, which begs the question - how many others in Edinburgh could have been affected in this way?  I can only hope that those who wanted an emergency proxy in other parts of the country had more success.

As far as I'm concerned 38% is still a healthy figure and one which could easily be built upon.

Also apart from what you say about changing the goal posts after postal votes had been returned, there's another aspect of this referendum which wasn't democratic, and that was the decision that there would be no recounts in cases where Yes and No votes cast for a particular Council were close enough to put the outcome in doubt.  Admittedly, as far as I'm aware, this only happened in Inverclyde, although maybe 86 can be considered a reasonable margin, but would Westminster be willing to put this into practice come the GE next May?
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #3551 on: Today at 04:31 AM »
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As far as I understand it:

*  more powers for Holyrood had been on the table from the time of the Edinburgh Agreement.  It was the timetable for the delivery of those powers that was issued in the last few days of the campaign;

*  a recount in individual areas was to be allowed if deemed necessary by the relevant Counting Officer.  It was a recount on the final announcement that was disallowed;

*  Cameron has not tied the resolution of EVEL to the delivery of more powers for Holyrood - in fact there has been no indication of any of the three Westminster leaders reneging on their vow to the people of Scotland;

*  if you believe that 38% is a healthy figure to build on, you must also accept that 62% is a decisive majority of the electorate wishing to stay within the U.K.
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