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Who will you vote for?  (Voting closed: May 08, 2015, 11:20 AM)
Conservative - 13 (32.5%)
Labour - 8 (20%)
UKIP - 3 (7.5%)
Lib Dems - 1 (2.5%)
Greens - 4 (10%)
SNP - 10 (25%)
Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
Sinn Féin - 0 (0%)
DUP - 0 (0%)
BNP - 0 (0%)
Other? - 1 (2.5%)
Total Voters: 40

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2015 UK General Election

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Better just to let him haver on, Aileen.
I was going to anyway because it's just the same old, same old drivel every time.
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I was going to anyway because it's just the same old, same old drivel every time.

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I was going to anyway because it's just the same old, same old drivel every time.
Exactly Aileen He doesn't want to talk about the hardship and misery and even deaths that these horrendous cuts are causing anymore, so he latched onto DTL's post like a drowning man and used it as an opportunity to do a bit more SNP bashing! Pathetic really! Rolling Eyes
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Good post. The sort of nationalism espoused by the SNP is nasty divisive poison.

See this intrigues me as your opinion is formed from what you read in the media - the media will always accentuate the negative - I have a few friends who were No voters but some also voted for the SNP at the GE.  Whilst I don't agree with some of their views, it hasn't divided us and I would say generally there is no divide up here, people are just getting on with it.  The MSM love a bit of SNP bashing, but reports of families being torn apart after the referendum and communities divided is rubbish as far as I can see.  As much as you say, the SNP have done nothing whilst in Government, they are trusted to deliver a lot more than any of the other parties, there is a predicted landslide for the pro independence parties at the Holyrood Elections in 2016 after which I think things may just get a little bit interesting again.   
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He doesn't want to talk about the hardship and misery and even deaths that these horrendous cuts are causing anymore, so he latched onto DTL's post like a drowning man and used it as an opportunity to do a bit more SNP bashing!

You do realise that it's possible to have more than one conversation at once right? I've asked you several times to make some suggestions as to what welfare reforms should look like and you've refused to answer. I'm not particularly interested in handwringing as it doesn't add anything to the debate.
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As much as you say, the SNP have done nothing whilst in Government, they are trusted to deliver a lot more than any of the other parties, there is a predicted landslide for the pro independence parties at the Holyrood Elections in 2016 after which I think things may just get a little bit interesting again.  

The very existence of a (projected) landslide for pro-independence parties is evidence for the divisiveness of the SNP's narrative.

Absolutely right on doing nothing though. Sturgeon has made a nuisance of herself by renegading on her promise not to get involved in English only votes, but beyond that the SNP have achieved bugger all. Meanwhile in Scotland their track record of governance is absolutely shocking.

As John McDermott says (very long but overall excellent read):

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Research by Ailsa Henderson of the University of Edinburgh has shown, Scots believe the country to be more left-wing than its policies suggest. Middle-class Scotland is getting the best of all worlds, notes Hunter Blackburn. The SNP repeatedly tells it that it has kinder, more generous values, but it is not being asked to forego any comforts or privileges. Indeed, it often receives more. No wonder it is not inclined to ask too many hard questions.

Over the past decade, the SNP has proven itself to be the most successful political party in Europe. It has won seemingly impossible majorities in Holyrood and of Scottish seats at Westminster. Scotland is now a democratic one party state. And from next April, it will be by some measures the most powerful devolved country in the world. Yet if politics is about power then policy is what you do with power. And the SNP has done very little indeed, especially for the poorest Scots it now claims to represent.

The SNP has mastered the art of blaming Westminster for everything - even the things that are directly under their control.
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If you search the web hard enough you will find evidence to back up your argument - I could do that and post stuff that backs up what the Scottish Government have done for people in Scotland but I can't be bothered because you will just come back and diss it.  Safe to say I'm glad I live here and have a democratically elected government representing us at Holyrood.
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Well said Murray Magic!
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"I can't actually offer any real rebuttal to your argument so I'll huff and puff and stamp my feet"

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I do find the almost wilful blindness over the SNP's record by certain parties to be a little sad. They may be your "democratically elected government", but that doesn't mean they're immune from criticism (or even very good).
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"I can't actually offer any real rebuttal to your argument so I'll huff and puff and stamp my feet"

lol

I do find the almost wilful blindness over the SNP's record by certain parties to be a little sad. They may be your "democratically elected government", but that doesn't mean they're immune from criticism (or even very good).

Don't be sad, Boogers.     No need to worry.    The Scottish government doesn't need to please you - they only need to please the Scottish people.    We will say whether we will allow them to continue in office.    Or should we ask Westminster to take over again?     Or put Labour back in?     Or the Tories?   
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You do realise that it's possible to have more than one conversation at once right? I've asked you several times to make some suggestions as to what welfare reforms should look like and you've refused to answer. I'm not particularly interested in handwringing as it doesn't add anything to the debate.
Oh....I must have missed that, as I have plenty of things I'd like to see changed! 1) Child benefit paid for the first two children only. 2) Child credits paid only to families who 'really' need them. 3) Free school meals only for families who can't afford them, though I'd like to see free school milk brought back. 4) Free child care scrapped altogether. If people can't afford to pay for their children to be looked after, they should stay home and let somebody else have the job. to be cont.
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f5) More social housing to be built, instead of the taxpayer footing the bill for ridiculous rents.....and of course, the selling off of existing social housing stopped. 6) Better wages for nurses to attract trainees, instead of paying ridiculous amounts of money to agencies! 7) The bedroom tax scrapped. 8) Also, I'd like to see a company charged with deciding who's fit to work and who isn't, do it's job properly, instead of telling a woman she was 'fit to work' while she was in a coma! Then there was the man who was deemed 'fit to work' who couldn't get a job, as he was too busy dying of cancer in hospital at the time! shocking  9) I'd like to see hospital matrons brought back! Hospitals have never been the same since they went!
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"I can't actually offer any real rebuttal to your argument so I'll huff and puff and stamp my feet"

lol

I do find the almost wilful blindness over the SNP's record by certain parties to be a little sad. They may be your "democratically elected government", but that doesn't mean they're immune from criticism (or even very good).

I wasn't huffing and puffing but merely saying if I could be bothered I could search the web to find evidence to back up my statements or my viewpoints - everyone can do this.  Nor did I say the Scottish Government were immune from criticism, they have done a lot of good but along the way made some mistakes - as does every political party in government.  They just better fit my viewpoint than any of the other parties in Scotland.  I just find your SNP bashing quite amusing for a party that will have no effect on the part of the country you live in, given that you don't reside in Scotland.  There is a large level of SNP bashing right now, I think a lot of people fear them because they offer something different, human nature to lash out against something or someone that doesn't conform.  Hey I might trawl the web see if I can find a graph to demonstrate that - nah life is too short!!
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