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Re: News Thread « Reply #6855 on: March 25, 2012, 08:15 AM »
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Many women turn to prostitution as a means of funding a drug habit. In Norwich, after those murders of prostitutes, a programme of drug education and support was put in place and prostitution declined.
That's what we need, rehabilitation programmes and decent wages for women at the bottom of the pile, not legalisation of brothels.
Also, does anyone believe that those poor women who are "trafficked" from God knows where, would ever find themselves in a legal brothel?
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6856 on: March 25, 2012, 06:13 PM »
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I agree - but at least in those days there was no internet for sickos to feed off.  These sickening images are there for the global community to ogle at, and that's what makes it so very much worse.
I disagree.  Brothels should be legalised and a register compiled, with failure to do so made a punishable offence.  That way proper checks could be carried out and action taken if they fail to meet certain criteria or where children are used for prostitution.  It's the old story - make something illegal and it promptly goes underground and continues to function unchecked.  Look what happened in the US during the Prohibition era.

As for the government censoring the internet - how, exactly, could this be done, given that in June last year alone there were just over 346m websites?

The Chinese do it. Censor the internet that is.
I don't see why anyone would wish to take their cue. I do not want my freedoms restricted by big brother because of someone else's kids.
Parents should monitor their own children's internet use as it is their responsibilty. To me censoring the internet is simply not acceptable.
If you find something disgusting etc then don't watch it.
Prostitution should also be legalised as it is in the Netherlands and Germany. Its safer & fairer to the women involved.
But that doesn't mean there should be kerb crawling or other impositions on the general public. A balance can be struck.
I do believe prostitution in some circumstances has already been effectively decriminalised in the UK.
This is of course in sharp contrast to the shameful slave trade that is going on with kidnapped sex workers throughout the world that must be stamped out completely.
But hookers arent going anywhere, like drug use 7 all the other naughty things that people wish to do. And ultimately its their choice/bodies & I dont believe they should be turned into criminals if they are not harming anyone.
Having state run brothels however is going too far and would never happen anyway.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6857 on: March 25, 2012, 07:13 PM »
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I agree - but at least in those days there was no internet for sickos to feed off.  These sickening images are there for the global community to ogle at, and that's what makes it so very much worse.
I disagree.  Brothels should be legalised and a register compiled, with failure to do so made a punishable offence.  That way proper checks could be carried out and action taken if they fail to meet certain criteria or where children are used for prostitution.  It's the old story - make something illegal and it promptly goes underground and continues to function unchecked.  Look what happened in the US during the Prohibition era.

As for the government censoring the internet - how, exactly, could this be done, given that in June last year alone there were just over 346m websites?

Of course the internet can be policed - they could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to but the sick truth is that this expoitative and vile industry makes more money than anything else the useless western economies can produce. So what if  some kids get raped its the money that matters, silly. Why do decent people like you seek to defend the rights of pornographers and pimps? Dont youthink we should be protecting our children and oursociety fromthese people or do we just give up, give them what they want and to hell with the consequences. And why do you want a sex shop and drugs cafe on every corner like Holland? Why is that a good thing? Holland is riddled with drugs andall the misery they bring. In Germany and in particular Berlin anything goes so far as sex is concerned and a recent article in the Times explained how thousands of young germans have become debauched and ill becauseof the sexclub culture.Is it wrong to want more innocence, love and romance in the world? Thats what our children need and deserve.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6858 on: March 26, 2012, 02:04 AM »
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Of course the internet can be policed - they could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to but the sick truth is that this expoitative and vile industry makes more money than anything else the useless western economies can produce. So what if  some kids get raped its the money that matters, silly. Why do decent people like you seek to defend the rights of pornographers and pimps? Dont youthink we should be protecting our children and oursociety fromthese people or do we just give up, give them what they want and to hell with the consequences. And why do you want a sex shop and drugs cafe on every corner like Holland? Why is that a good thing? Holland is riddled with drugs andall the misery they bring. In Germany and in particular Berlin anything goes so far as sex is concerned and a recent article in the Times explained how thousands of young germans have become debauched and ill becauseof the sexclub culture.Is it wrong to want more innocence, love and romance in the world? Thats what our children need and deserve.
Please do not put words into my mouth, MT, because I never said anything of the sort.  Yes the Dutch have a much more liberal attitude towards these things than the British but I know for a fact that your statement is a gross exaggeration.  And in case it has escaped your notice, drug abuse is rife in Britain, largely because our blinkered attitude towards the taking of drugs merely serves to drive the problem underground.  Not only is forbidden fruit the most tempting, but the result of this lack of drug control means that users are often taking drugs which have impure substances in them or where the strength of the dosages vary widely, and that is where the real problem lies.

Also, I've never used any recreational drugs but I've known plenty of people who smoke cannabis on a regular basis without any ill effects.  In fact research has shown that there are many prescription drugs for mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety which really are harmful, yet  the medical profession go on prescribing them, sometimes with tragic results.  On that basis alone, I would have no argument with the opening of a restricted number of cafes where cannabis could be smoked without fear of prosecution.

As for my response to the rest of your post, I think theycanbillme has already said most of it for me.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6859 on: March 26, 2012, 03:14 AM »
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But the amount of people who seem so upset about the plight of someone they don't know, and have never met. It seems absolutely bizarre to me.

Yeah.. but both you and I care a whole lot about Andy Murray. (ps: I've met him.. that's my excuse)


This morning on the news there was a report of men selling children for prostitution. The youngest being 11
and all these kids were being used by a gang of men. I think there were seven of them. How can they have sunk so low to use children like that. If they want sex they should use grown up women and pay for it.

These perverted individuals don't want women....They want to take advantage of children.
With all due respect, no amount of 'registration' can police these sickos.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6860 on: March 29, 2012, 02:52 PM »
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The two young brits who were murdered a couple of years  ago in Miami got justice today,the seventeen year old who murdered them got life with out the possibility of parole.What a tragic situation.Three families who will never be the same again.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6861 on: March 30, 2012, 10:35 AM »
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I remember that happening and glad that someone has been caught and held accountable.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6862 on: March 30, 2012, 01:45 PM »
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The two young brits who were murdered a couple of years  ago in Miami got justice today,the seventeen year old who murdered them got life with out the possibility of parole.What a tragic situation.Three families who will never be the same again.

Thanks for the news about that.
So glad the little b****rd didn't get away with that by the courts convicting him as an adult. Beside's the senselessness of the killings, it is clear that someone that casually evil would be a danger to the general public and would kill again.
Now he can look forward to making friends with Mr big in showers for the next 20 years or so.
If he lasts that long ofcourse.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6863 on: March 30, 2012, 02:01 PM »
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life with out the possibility of parole

That's great, but what would he have got over here? I like tough sentencing. I'm keen on Singapore - drop a crisp packet and it's the death penalty. Crime is virtually non-existent in Singapore.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6864 on: March 30, 2012, 02:34 PM »
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That's great, but what would he have got over here? I like tough sentencing. I'm keen on Singapore - drop a crisp packet and it's the death penalty. Crime is virtually non-existent in Singapore.

I like tough sentencing too, for genuine criminals.
But i hate overreaching governments filled with busy body politicians that try and control everything.
Its the first step towards  Hitler
Also Singapore is DULL dull dull dull.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6865 on: March 30, 2012, 06:54 PM »
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Hmm, lots of miscarriages of justice and not in the dim and distant past either.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6866 on: March 31, 2012, 03:11 AM »
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I'm very glad Scotland followed England's example by passing an Act a few months ago which reformed the double-jeopardy law.  As a result it's hoped that this will not only rectify miscarriages of justice but will enable some old cases, one going back to 1977, to be re-opened.

Now all that remains is for the very unsatisfactory Scottish "not proven" verdict to be ditched.  A person should either be found guilty or acquitted.  I hate to think how many criminals have been let off the hook with this verdict, whilst innocent people will always have the question mark of doubt hanging over their heads.  
 
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6867 on: March 31, 2012, 04:37 AM »
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I agree Aileen!
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6868 on: March 31, 2012, 01:37 PM »
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Please do not put words into my mouth, MT, because I never said anything of the sort.  Yes the Dutch have a much more liberal attitude towards these things than the British but I know for a fact that your statement is a gross exaggeration.  And in case it has escaped your notice, drug abuse is rife in Britain, largely because our blinkered attitude towards the taking of drugs merely serves to drive the problem underground.  Not only is forbidden fruit the most tempting, but the result of this lack of drug control means that users are often taking drugs which have impure substances in them or where the strength of the dosages vary widely, and that is where the real problem lies.

Also, I've never used any recreational drugs but I've known plenty of people who smoke cannabis on a regular basis without any ill effects.  In fact research has shown that there are many prescription drugs for mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety which really are harmful, yet  the medical profession go on prescribing them, sometimes with tragic results.  On that basis alone, I would have no argument with the opening of a restricted number of cafes where cannabis could be smoked without fear of prosecution.

As for my response to the rest of your post, I think theycanbillme has already said most of it for me.

Legalised brothels and drugs cafes is what you are arguing for. Your argument is that we must do that because otherwise people will buy from pimps and pushers. That is a fair argument if you assume that people will always need drugs and prostitution whereas as more and more research shows these social problems disappear when the participants are educated and helped away from these lifestyles. Blueberry above argues this. As for the whole cannabis is harmless for the middleclasses argument not only is this complete crap as I could demonstrate with pages of medical facts. but your pals' right to take an affected puff of a dodgy cigarette in Morningside is not worth risking a free for all drugsfest catastrophe for the children in Castlemilk 
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Re: News Thread « Reply #6869 on: March 31, 2012, 10:34 PM »
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Legalised brothels and drugs cafes is what you are arguing for. Your argument is that we must do that because otherwise people will buy from pimps and pushers. That is a fair argument if you assume that people will always need drugs and prostitution whereas as more and more research shows these social problems disappear when the participants are educated and helped away from these lifestyles. Blueberry above argues this. As for the whole cannabis is harmless for the middleclasses argument not only is this complete crap as I could demonstrate with pages of medical facts. but your pals' right to take an affected puff of a dodgy cigarette in Morningside is not worth risking a free for all drugsfest catastrophe for the children in Castlemilk 
Just for the record, MT, the people I've known to be cannabis smokers lived in various parts of the city, including the poorer areas - and, yes, some of them were so-called "working class".

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