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Poll
Who will you vote for?  (Voting closes: May 08, 2015, 11:20 AM)
Conservative - 10 (35.7%)
Labour - 5 (17.9%)
UKIP - 2 (7.1%)
Lib Dems - 0 (0%)
Greens - 2 (7.1%)
SNP - 7 (25%)
Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
Sinn Féin - 0 (0%)
DUP - 0 (0%)
BNP - 0 (0%)
Other? - 2 (7.1%)
Total Voters: 28

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2015 UK General Election

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^ And smacks of Thatcher. We'll be off to war next, a nice diversionary tactic, if ever there was one Rolling Eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/20/tories-playing-dangerous-game-scotland-lord-forsyth
Also very interesting what the Tories are up to. Promoting the SNP in order to further damage Labour.

This is very interesting BBH.......and the comments are too!
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No Boogers, it's you who's laughable, only you can't or won't see it.

lol

So what part did you disagree with then?
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^ And smacks of Thatcher. We'll be off to war next, a nice diversionary tactic, if ever there was one Rolling Eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/20/tories-playing-dangerous-game-scotland-lord-forsyth
Also very interesting what the Tories are up to. Promoting the SNP in order to further damage Labour.

Yes there is no doubt that the SNP and Tories are electorally useful for each other - anything that hypes up a Scotland v England tension works for both of them, at the expense of Labour.
But for me it underlines that Cameron will say literally anything to win. He'll  risk the UK leaving no the EU, cos votes can be won through a referendum. He'll  risk the UK itself by giving gift after political gift to the SNP.

Cameron wants 'two term prime minister' on his cv. It's that simple.
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Ordinarily I don't look twice at the Sun, but it's front page today made me smile - Huge picture of Sturgeon and banner headline  We can make it better together. 
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Caz
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Yes there is no doubt that the SNP and Tories are electorally useful for each other - anything that hypes up a Scotland v England tension works for both of them, at the expense of Labour.
But for me it underlines that Cameron will say literally anything to win. He'll  risk the UK leaving no the EU, cos votes can be won through a referendum. He'll  risk the UK itself by giving gift after political gift to the SNP.

Cameron wants 'two term prime minister' on his cv. It's that simple.
I agree that Cameron wants to hype up the tension between Scotland and England, but it's not what Scotland or the SNP want or need! Scotland are against Westminster, as are many of the English, but they are not against each other and never have been, no matter what Cameron says! Nicola Sturgeon has done her best to make it clear that if she gets a chance to do anything, it'll be to benefit all! I do agree however, that Cameron will do and say whatever it takes to stay in power!
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Sturgeon has done her best to make it clear that if she gets a chance to do anything, it'll be to benefit all!

You only need to look at the cover page of the SNP manifesto to realise that's a complete lie. Even looking beyond the fact that the SNP's stated reason to exist is independence, Sturgeons cornerstone policy - an end to austerity and a promise of profligate spending - helps nobody. Certainly not the rest of the UK who'd be responsible for subsidising it.
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You only need to look at the cover page of the SNP manifesto to realise that's a complete lie. Even looking beyond the fact that the SNP's stated reason to exist is independence, Sturgeons cornerstone policy - an end to austerity and a promise of profligate spending - helps nobody. Certainly not the rest of the UK who'd be responsible for subsidising it.
   Don't the voters subsidise everything the government does on their behalf? Sometimes I wonder where your head is!
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^^Oh my.....I could've sworn I just heard a mouse squeak! Rolling Eyes
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   Don't the voters subsidise everything the government does on their behalf? Sometimes I wonder where your head is!
I think I know where it is! Whistle
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   Don't the voters subsidise everything the government does on their behalf? Sometimes I wonder where your head is!

Hypothetically speaking, if "the voters" were electing the SNP to govern the whole of the UK then your point would make sense.

As they're not, it's pretty obvious that in the case of a Lab-SNP coalition, Sturgeon (assuming that she's actually going to abide by her parties own constitution) will attempt to win concessions for the benefit of Scotland over rUK. Given that Scotland is already heavily subsidised by rUK, I don't see how that works out in our favour.

Mind you, there's always hope that Miliband might demonstrate some backbone and refuse to do business with a party who's raison d'etre is to break up the union, even if it comes at terrible cost to their own voters.
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Hypothetically speaking, if "the voters" were electing the SNP to govern the whole of the UK then your point would make sense.

As they're not, it's pretty obvious that in the case of a Lab-SNP coalition, Sturgeon (assuming that she's actually going to abide by her parties own constitution) will attempt to win concessions for the benefit of Scotland over rUK. Given that Scotland is already heavily subsidised by rUK, I don't see how that works out in our favour.

Mind you, there's always hope that Miliband might demonstrate some backbone and refuse to do business with a party who's raison d'etre is to break up the union, even if it comes at terrible cost to their own voters.
  Of course she will stand for scotland's interests, but why do you always assume that is inevitably to the detriment of the UK as a whole?  You really need to get out more if you think what suits the blue shires of the Home Counties is what the whole country is looking for.
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  Of course she will stand for scotland's interests, but why do you always assume that is inevitably to the detriment of the UK as a whole?

Because the SNP has no interest in the future of the UK as a whole.
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Because the SNP has no interest in the future of the UK as a whole.
   But that's not where they are at the moment - Better Together implored us to stay and play our part in the Union, and thats the current position.  It has been made clear that Scotland will only become independent as a result of another referendum, and none will be offered until there is a material change in circumstance. Bizarrely, Labour are attacking the SNP for not ruling one out!!  Thats how desperate they are to gain traction in the polls.
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there's always hope that Miliband might demonstrate some backbone and refuse to do business with a party who's raison d'etre is to break up the union, even if it comes at terrible cost to their own voters.

Politicians seek and keep power no matter what principle they have to betray.
Is my cynical response.
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