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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #15 on: August 07, 2007, 03:12 PM »
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Quote from: ljsmall on August 07, 2007, 02:39 PM
Well there's stuff in the old testament that gets trumped by the law that Jesus brought. Mainly the things in Deuteronomy that involves stoning other people and making them walk on hot coals. They don't really fall in with Jesus law of forgiveness and they certainly don't fall in with his teaching that only the lord shall judge those who have done wrong. It is not up to us.

Here's the thing about that... God gave the Israelites those laws at the beginning, but when Jesus came, it ended the old covenant and began a new one, thus nullifying all of those laws in the Old Testament. Basically, they just didn't apply anymore. It's not that it doesn't fit, it's just, God changed the system!

And yes Lorna, it does say in the Bible that we should pay our taxes, but it's not in Romans 15... It's in Mark 12:17 as well as in some of the other Gospels. And as far as 1st Timothy goes, have you got a chapter and verse for that statement?


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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #16 on: August 07, 2007, 03:59 PM »
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It's 1st Timothy 2 1-4.

I get what you say about the covenant David. Absolutely right there but does Romans 3v31 not emphasise the importance of still upholding the law. (by law here I'm talking OT law and the law of the Jewish covenant, God's law, not legal politics)
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #17 on: August 07, 2007, 06:00 PM »
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Quote from: ljsmall on August 07, 2007, 03:59 PM
It's 1st Timothy 2 1-4.

I think that's refering more to praying about world conditions, so that Christians could be free to practice their religion, not necessarily praying that Bush makes good desicions in Iraq, but that Bush doesn't make it so that all muslims, everywhere, hate Christianity... See what I'm saying?

Also Lorna, you brought out that we need to take things in context, so as far as Romans 3:31 goes, if you start at verse 27 it becomes clearer. More or less says that we're under the law of faith, not the OT laws. Actually, if you read the whole chapter, everything Paul was saying makes a lot more sense...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #18 on: August 07, 2007, 07:14 PM »
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In terms of interpreting the Bible literally, what are your stances on homosexuality?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #19 on: August 07, 2007, 07:54 PM »
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Quote from: eira_arian on August 07, 2007, 07:14 PM
In terms of interpreting the Bible literally, what are your stances on homosexuality?

I believe it's wrong, but I don't hate people that are homosexuals, and I don't discourage them from it. They can do what they want...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #20 on: August 07, 2007, 07:58 PM »
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Interesting. So you don't believe in the reinterpretation of the Bible to make it more relevant to the modern world then?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #21 on: August 07, 2007, 08:04 PM »
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Quote from: davidB on August 07, 2007, 07:54 PM
I believe it's wrong, but I don't hate people that are homosexuals, and I don't discourage them from it. They can do what they want...

Controversial...

I think when people take the bible literally it's STUPID, yes STUPID, for all we know, someone could pick up a copy of Harry Potter in 100000 years time and say "He is god..." It's foolish.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #22 on: August 07, 2007, 08:21 PM »
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Quote from: eira_arian on August 07, 2007, 07:58 PM
Interesting. So you don't believe in the reinterpretation of the Bible to make it more relevant to the modern world then?

Why would I believe that? I look out of my window and say, "Anyone who could create this universe and everything in it is worth taking seriously..."

Reinterpreting the Bible to make it more "relevant" can be illustrated thus: If you were diabetic, and your doctor told you to stay away from certain foods, would you dismiss what he said because it's not "relevant" to your personal tastes?

Quote from: Sarah_ on August 07, 2007, 08:04 PM
Controversial...

Why? I don't hate them. In fact, I have several friends that are homosexuals. I don't talk it down or anything. I just don't believe that it's right...

Quote from: Sarah_ on August 07, 2007, 08:04 PM
I think when people take the bible literally it's STUPID, yes STUPID, for all we know, someone could pick up a copy of Harry Potter in 100000 years time and say "He is god..." It's foolish.

Everything that happens these days is so well documented that such a thing could never happen in regards to Harry Potter... Rolling Eyes But as for the first part of that, the Bible isn't just Aesop's fables for fanatics, it's a collection of historical events and prophecies... None of the prophecies haven't come true...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #23 on: August 07, 2007, 08:23 PM »
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I could beg to differ on the historical events, but I won't.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #24 on: August 07, 2007, 08:23 PM »
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Quote from: davidB on August 07, 2007, 08:21 PM

Why? I don't hate them. In fact, I have several friends that are homosexuals. I don't talk it down or anything. I just don't believe that it's right...

Everything that happens these days is so well documented that such a thing could never happen in regards to Harry Potter... Rolling Eyes But as for the first part of that, the Bible isn't just Aesop's fables for fanatics, it's a collection of historical events and prophecies... None of the prophecies haven't come true...

First, I wasn't looking for a argument over Homosexual I was merely stating that it's pretty controversial to say you think it's wrong. love is love.

I was joking on the Harry Potter front, obviously that could never happening, just stressing that in my opinion the bible is fictional.
I truly cannot be arsed to go down the religion route of things.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #25 on: August 07, 2007, 08:25 PM »
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Quote from: eira_arian on August 07, 2007, 08:23 PM
I could beg to differ on the historical events, but I won't.

Go for it... The Bible has burned Archaeologists more than once...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #26 on: August 07, 2007, 08:26 PM »
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... and Science has burned the bible many a time.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #27 on: August 07, 2007, 08:28 PM »
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Quote from: eira_arian on August 07, 2007, 08:23 PM
I could beg to differ on the historical events, but I won't.

Go for it!

Quote from: Sarah_ on August 07, 2007, 08:26 PM
... and Science has burned the bible many a time.

Care to give an example? Smile
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #28 on: August 07, 2007, 08:30 PM »
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Quote from: davidB on August 07, 2007, 08:25 PM
Go for it... The Bible has burned Archaeologists more than once...

So, in the context of the creation story dictated by the Bible, can you explain to me a) the dinosaurs, b) the iron age, c) the stone age?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #29 on: August 07, 2007, 08:30 PM »
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Quote from: JohnW on August 07, 2007, 08:28 PM
Care to give an example? Smile

What he said... Actually, the Bible burned science at least 3 times... And anyone who knows me, knows that I am an avid student of all things astrophysical... I love science, yet I believe the Bible... I'm not a walking contradiction...
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