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Do you believe in God?
Yes, there is a God - 35 (46.1%)
No (atheist) - 31 (40.8%)
Unsure (agnostic) - 10 (13.2%)
Total Voters: 75

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It is awareness of and response to an environmental stimulus  is it not?                                                         

The atoms in ice vibrate more. This increase in vibration of atoms IS a rise in temperature. As the atoms vibrate, some bonds are broken, leading to a phase, liquid, where the molecules are less rigidly bound.

It's a mechanistic process, like a weight on the end of a string breaking the string. Describing the ice as aware adds nothing to the description and so this purported "awareness" is a label empty of content.
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Nicely explained Dave! Thanks!
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I like this DaveH fella.
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The atoms in ice vibrate more. This increase in vibration of atoms IS a rise in temperature. As the atoms vibrate, some bonds are broken, leading to a phase, liquid, where the molecules are less rigidly bound.

It's a mechanistic process, like a weight on the end of a string breaking the string. Describing the ice as aware adds nothing to the description and so this purported "awareness" is a label empty of content.
I like this DaveH fella.
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Dave, meet Clydey.
Clydey, meet Dave.

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We are our brain, so yes. The absence of the body would have fewer consequences than you might think.
I can think of several consequences of not having a body. There's certain parts of me I would definitely miss, and certain parts of my hubbster's I'd miss too. Ahem..
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So you are Muslim? Like me? aha!  hug

Hey, you too? hug
Didn't seem so with your name...
Converted or what?
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Zarfeen.......You are 14?

Yup, you seem to be very surprised???? Why?
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I can think of several consequences of not having a body. There's certain parts of me I would definitely miss, and certain parts of my hubbster's I'd miss too. Ahem..
Dirty girl!  Very Happy
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I can think of several consequences of not having a body. There's certain parts of me I would definitely miss, and certain parts of my hubbster's I'd miss too. Ahem..

I mean consequences for the mind. In other words, you are your brain. The body is basically a vehicle.
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The atoms in ice vibrate more. This increase in vibration of atoms IS a rise in temperature. As the atoms vibrate, some bonds are broken, leading to a phase, liquid, where the molecules are less rigidly bound.

It's a mechanistic process, like a weight on the end of a string breaking the string. Describing the ice as aware adds nothing to the description and so this purported "awareness" is a label empty of content.
  I don't see any of that differs in principle from consciousness. If you are actually thinking of awareness, interpretation and response, that is still a matter of degree. I argue that there is a continuum of consciousness, and certainly we can define boundaries, but this/not this is both the strength and weakness of the human perception of reality.
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Fiverings.......I can't claim to understand how ice, snow, sand ect. could be 'concious' or have 'awareness', in fact, I've never even considered it, but what I 'do' know, is that reality is not as we perceive it and that if we only understood how it works, any one of us are quite capable of passing through a brick wall! It's all to do with 'vibrations' right? However, you'd be wasting your time if you tried to convince most of the people on here.......too many closed minds! If you know how it works though.......I'm all ears!
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  I don't see any of that differs in principle from consciousness. If you are actually thinking of awareness, interpretation and response, that is still a matter of degree. I argue that there is a continuum of consciousness, and certainly we can define boundaries, but this/not this is both the strength and weakness of the human perception of reality.

It differs in principle from consciousness in that there is NOTHING in the description of ice melting that requires the ice to be aware. I have explained how ice melts in terms of unaware atoms, a mechanistic, unconscious process. Whereas, a description of a human being is lacking if it does not include the fact that they are aware of themselves and of an external world.

You can state that there is a continuum of consciousness, but you cannot argue that there is, since you have no evidence with which to make your argument. Any belief that ice or rocks are conscious is irrational. There is literally no reason to hold such a belief.

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certainly we can define boundaries, but this/not this is both the strength and weakness of the human perception of reality.

Since no human is capable of anything other than a human perception of reality, it is pointless trying to suggest anything else.
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any one of us are quite capable of passing through a brick wall!

You seriously believe this? Why?
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Fiverings.......I can't claim to understand how ice, snow, sand ect. could be 'concious' or have 'awareness', in fact, I've never even considered it, but what I 'do' know, is that reality is not as we perceive it and that if we only understood how it works, any one of us are quite capable of passing through a brick wall!

Sure, we can pass through a brick wall. We'd need some tools, though, otherwise it would be a pretty painful experience.

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'vibrations' right? However, you'd be wasting your time if you tried to convince most of the people on here.......too many closed minds! If you know how it works though.......I'm all ears!

I'll paraphrase an old saying for you.

Our minds are not closed, but nor are they so open that our brains fall out.
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Fiverings..........See what I mean?
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