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Question: Do you believe in God?
Yes, there is a God - 35 (47.9%)
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4320 on: November 19, 2012, 03:40 PM »
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I thought there was some joke I wasn't getting..
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4321 on: November 19, 2012, 03:44 PM »
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No joke. Just never had the opportunity to say that to a Muslim and it seemed fitting Very Happy
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4322 on: November 19, 2012, 03:45 PM »
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Mark, if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you don't like about Islam?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4323 on: November 19, 2012, 03:52 PM »
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Quote from: ZARFEEN15 on November 19, 2012, 03:45 PM
Mark, if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you don't like about Islam?
In a few words, its resistance to evolve with secular morality.

Most mainstream religions don't seem to have this problem. Mormonism is one example. Racism is in its roots and yet America nearly had Mormon president because the religion has evolved.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4324 on: November 19, 2012, 03:55 PM »
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Ok, you have all rights to think whatever you want, and to be frank, I don't mind sayin this as a muslim myself but in a way, I kinda agree with you...
But I respect all religions and their followers, do you respect Islam?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4325 on: November 19, 2012, 04:01 PM »
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I don't think I respect any religion but that doesn't mean I don't respect its followers.

I respect those that do not push their religion on to others and especially those that do not indoctrinate their children.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4326 on: November 19, 2012, 04:04 PM »
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So you are an atheist?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4327 on: November 19, 2012, 04:09 PM »
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I have yet to see evidence for a God so my default position is atheism. Yes.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4328 on: November 19, 2012, 04:25 PM »
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Quote from: Mark on November 19, 2012, 04:09 PM
I have yet to see evidence for a God so my default position is atheism. Yes.
  Out of curiosity Mark, what sort of evidence would you require?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4329 on: November 19, 2012, 04:53 PM »
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   Subtlety and predictability are not exclusive.

I know. However, all that we've established is that water acts in predictable ways.


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you might have a nervous impairment

Without hydrogen, water is oxygen and no longer turns to ice at zero degrees centigrade. However ice remains predictable, just as a hand with a working central nervous system held over a stove remains predictable. Changing my working reflexes into something else doesn't make my working reflexes unpredictable.

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Nor is it 100% predictable that you will withdraw your hand from a hot stove. For all I know you might be a lunatic

If I was a lunatic, I could not stop withdrawing my hand. It is an automatic reflex. No matter what belief or thought I held I would withdraw my hand.

This indicates to me that the response is not conscious. Do you agree with me, or can you argue that the response is conscious?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4330 on: November 19, 2012, 05:08 PM »
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The geological record demonstrates increasing complexity

Oh I see, you are saying that life in general is getting more complex.

It has become more complex, but this is not necessarily an ongoing trend. In fact, the mode level of complexity is more or less a constant.

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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4331 on: November 19, 2012, 05:11 PM »
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Quote from: Fiverings on November 19, 2012, 04:25 PM
  Out of curiosity Mark, what sort of evidence would you require?
That's a difficult one but as there is no evidence in the first place, I can get away with not giving it too much thought.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4332 on: November 19, 2012, 05:30 PM »
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Quote from: Mark on November 19, 2012, 05:11 PM
That's a difficult one but as there is no evidence in the first place, I can get away with not giving it too much thought.

How do you know? Have you looked into the whole of Universe to its entirety or have you just deducted based on what you know so far?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4333 on: November 19, 2012, 05:35 PM »
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Quote from: ZARFEEN15 on November 19, 2012, 02:56 PM
I do stuff which I feel is not harmful.
By wearing nail varnish or celebrating other festivals, no one is gonna take an AK-47 and shoot me...at least in the place I live.
There are also many things which I do follow strictly and have no plans of crossing my limits.
We aren't supposed to eat pork, drink, smoke etc which I feel is for our own good. Those are more serious stuff which I obviously follow...


I don't eat pork or smoke but I do drink occasionally. Typically I'm against drinking too since it tends to bring out the worst in people a lot of the time.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4334 on: November 19, 2012, 05:41 PM »
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How do you know? Have you looked into the whole of Universe to its entirety or have you just deducted based on what you know so far?
I obviously meant based on current knowledge hence why in an earlier post I used the word "yet".

I'm ready for that evidence to show itself although I'm not holding my breath.
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