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Do you believe in God?
Yes, there is a God - 35 (46.1%)
No (atheist) - 31 (40.8%)
Unsure (agnostic) - 10 (13.2%)
Total Voters: 75

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Because evil committed in the name of religion can and often is done by good people. So in that sense, it's evil that could so easily be avoided.

Evil without religion is often unavoidable as its cause is usually genetics, environment and perhaps mental illness.

Are you saying that if these people were not exposed to religion they would not commit evil crimes?  
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Are you saying that if these people were not exposed to religion they would not commit evil crimes?   
For a significant number of those people, yes. Good people tend not to commit evil crimes.
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I don't believe that's true!
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I don't believe that's true!
I won't pretend to be completely confident but the logic seems to be there.
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I disagree!
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We all consider ourselves good people, even when we do what other's see as bad things. So I guess Mark is right in a sense. Good people do do bad things.
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I disagree!
I disagree!
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You're right Gangsta.....Good people do bad things sometimes, but that doesn't make them bad people, but 'evil' is a totally different thing. Good people don't do evil things. Evil people do evil things and sometimes use their God as an excuse.
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You're right Gangsta.....Good people do bad things sometimes, but that doesn't make them bad people, but 'evil' is a totally different thing. Good people don't do evil things. Evil people do evil things and sometimes use their God as an excuse.

But is it the evil inside them or the religion that makes them commit evil?    Atheists think it is the religion but that's a convenient peg to hang your hat on.    Evil is more complicated than that.
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^So Laundry, as an atheist, do you feel every question of yours is answered or like me, do you have some doubts in your belief?

I've done a lot, lot of questioning and studying on my beliefs and understandings of why we are here and the universe is here in the way it is. I've always done this from a young age, I was pretty much always thinking about things like this to myself as opposed to having a proper social life :p

I would say I am actually at a point where I'm more or less happy with all the answers I have now. I don't have any of the 'big' questions left to ask myself, I've reached a conclusion to all the questions I was striving to answer when I was younger. It's somewhat depressing to actually be in that state of mind though  though because it's like I've surmounted a pinnacle of understanding and I don't feel like I'm going to gain any further knowledge that I really care about. Of course there are plenty of scientific questions left to answer but I don't particularly care about most of them, I have always looked more at philosophical questions and 'the bigger picture'. Naturally they are tied in with science but I think you can grasp an understanding of the framework of things from a top-down perspective without understanding all the internal pieces of science from the bottom-up.

If you were to talk to some scientists or philosophers I think a majority would say it's not actually obtaining the answers that they really care about, it's the search towards trying to find those answers that drives and motivates them. I don't think I'm a typical atheist in that sense, I doubt many atheist at all would say they feel every question of theirs is answered or that they are happy with all the answers they have. To reach that point is a goal that a lot of people are perceptually aiming to touch but speaking as someone who is actually there you could say it's perhaps over-rated. OK yes I have a certain pride and contentment in a way about achieving all my answers but I no longer possess that drive to think and puzzle about things, I've lost that purpose. Like an Olympian that works their entire life to obtain a gold medal, then when they finally win it they're asking themselves "what now?".
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I think that's more or less what I said! They use religion as an excuse!
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I've done a lot, lot of questioning and studying on my beliefs and understandings of why we are here and the universe is here in the way it is. I've always done this from a young age and I was pretty much always thinking about things like this to myself as opposed to having a proper social life :p

I would say I am actually a point where I'm more or less happy with all the answers I have now. I don't have any of the 'big' questions left to ask myself, I've reached a conclusion on all the questions I was striving to answer when I was younger. It's somewhat depressing to actually be at that state though because it's like I've surmounted a pinnacle of understanding and I don't feel like I'm going to gain any further knowledge that I really care about. Of course there are plenty of scientific questions left to answer but I don't particularly care about most of them, I have always looked more at philosophical questions and 'the bigger picture'. Naturally they are tied in with science but I think you can grasp an understanding of the framework of things from a top-down perspective without understanding all the internal pieces of science from the bottom-up.

If you were to talk to some scientists or philosophers I think a majority would say it's not actually obtaining the answers that they really care about, it's the search towards trying to find those answers that drives and motivates them. I don't think I'm a typical atheist in that sense, I doubt many atheist at all would say they feel every question of theirs is answered or that they are happy with all the answers they have. To reach that point is a goal that a lot of people are perceptually aiming to touch but speaking as someone who is actually there you could say it's perhaps over-rated. OK yes I have a certain pride and contentment in a way about achieving all my answers but I no longer possess that drive to think and puzzle about things, I've lost that purpose. Like an Olympian that works their entire life to obtain a gold medal, then when they finally win it they're asking themselves "what now?".

Religion?
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Say I've run over a cat by accident in my car. I have done something bad, but I haven't done it in the name of religion, so I haven't been swayed by anything.
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Yes, but that's an accident, but if you had done it deliberately, that would be evil!
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Religion?
Religion what?
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