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Religious Discussions « on: August 06, 2007, 08:40 PM »
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Point for discussion.

I have just learnt that the Koran is regarded as law by Muslims. Hence, British Law does not apply.

A "Covenant of Security" exists which means Muslims in a non-Muslim country are either at war, or in agreement with that country in which they reside to live in peace.

One Muslim said "If a man with muddy boots breaks into my house (he meant a cop in this case) he has THE RIGHT BY MUSLIM LAW to kill him..."

This statement (and many similar like it) appeared on Dispatches, on Channel 4.

Basically what I understand is, "..Islamic Law" even in a non-Islamic country, usurps any other laws.

What do you think of that?


Second point. A phrase in the Koran states.

"The Christians and the Jews will not be satisfied until you follow their religion" 

Several others encourage this negative view of other religions.
As I'm not religious I may be mistaken, but I;m almost certain no other religion encourages this sort of thing. But in fact are quite tolerant of other religious believes. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anyway, just thought I'd put this out there. It seems a lot of Muslims believe their beliefs to be above the Law. (and I mean not just the "radicals" but a lot of general muslims as well.)


BTW this show I am watching is on CHannel 4 now.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2007, 08:45 PM »
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Islamic law is BIG in all the major law firms at the moment - they have specialised groups developing legal opinions and methods on it...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2007, 08:52 PM »
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You know what the most worrying thing is...

If the Covenant of Security is broken (i.e. Muslims denounce their British Nationality) then according to the Koran, Muslims in the UK would be at war.....

A lot of people on this programme, seem to feel that Islam and politics go hand in hand. Where as most people I think, in other religions, have their religion as faith only, not to be used to make political decisions. Ridiculous.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2007, 08:52 PM »
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I appreciate you posting this Neil as it's a topic I'm quite interested in although I have never bothered to research in.

Some bad stuff there, now let's see what they say about women Think
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 08:55 PM »
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A lot of people on this programme, seem to feel that Islam and politics go hand in hand. Where as most people I think, in other religions, have their religion as faith only, not to be used to make political decisions. Ridiculous.

A good point. Religion doesn't always equal political action.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 08:56 PM »
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Religion should almost NEVER equal political action. It should be a way to lead your personal life not the lives of non-believers.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2007, 08:56 PM »
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"The Christians and the Jews will not be satisfied until you follow their religion" 

The Koran is very positive towards them isn't it... 'do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.' Also known as tolerance...

What do you think of that?

If they will come and live in our country, then they must be judged by our laws...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 08:59 PM »
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Interesting though, that historically, it is the Muslim empires that have traditionally been the most tolerant in terms of accepting other religions.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2007, 09:01 PM »
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Intriguing indeed......


If they will come and live in our country, then they must be judged by our laws...

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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2007, 12:20 AM »
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I don't know what too say about that book. The terrorists take it ias its wrote. Most muslim do ot take it as literal. Sorta like how me are not supose to take the bible literaly.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #10 on: August 07, 2007, 12:42 AM »
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Sorta like how me are not supose to take the bible literaly.

Says who? I know the bible is open to intepretation, but a lot of christains take it for what it is. Or what they have read and heard about it anyway. Similarily a lot don't.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #11 on: August 07, 2007, 01:28 AM »
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The Church tells us so
You can claim a couple of abortion clinics in the US have been bombed, yet. But by nutters. The terrorists must be nutters as well.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #12 on: August 07, 2007, 01:31 AM »
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I wasn't planning on it.

But what I'm saying is that some people take the bible quite literally. I'm interested to hear where you think it tells you to do things. If you could find a verse that really shouldn't/couldn't be taken literally i'd like to hear it. Smile 

(I would look myself, but I wouldn't know where to start at all)
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2007, 09:42 AM »
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The terrorists must be nutters as well.

Not just the terrorists are nutters... Many Muslims support their acts, which makes them equally insane. But well, the things they follow, are madness either way.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #14 on: August 07, 2007, 02:39 PM »
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Well there's stuff in the old testament that gets trumped by the law that Jesus brought. Mainly the things in Deuteronomy that involves stoning other people and making them walk on hot coals. They don't really fall in with Jesus law of forgiveness and they certainly don't fall in with his teaching that only the lord shall judge those who have done wrong. It is not up to us.

Then there's the parables and story teaching that was common in the early christian church that obviously shouldn't be taken literally, because it says it's stories and are supposed to be metaphors.

Other than that I'm pretty sure you're wrong on that one Tommy. If read in context it's definately to be taken literally. On a side not here, in the Christian faith we are encouraged to pray for our leaders (in 1Timothy) and to pay our taxes and uphold the law of the land (in Romans 15).
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