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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #165 on: May 27, 2008, 05:04 PM »
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Nope its not absurd, at least I've seen no reason to say that its absurd.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #166 on: May 27, 2008, 05:05 PM »
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That's what i'm trying to say! I'm not as stupid as some people to have a view about something I seriously have not studied properly. And by the way, I know of a couple of people who believe in a young earth, who have studied far more then you could have, know far more then most people and still believe that! I can't explain it, but I don't know anything about this subject. Although you still haven't proved to me that its not possible...


Prove it to you?  Archeology? Fossils? Dating methods?  Take your pick, mate.

Saying that you know some learned individuals who believe it amounts to nothing.  There is no proof to back their belief.  If you know nothing on the subject why debate it?  Do some reading on it and then you'll realise why such views are roundly mocked.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #167 on: May 27, 2008, 05:08 PM »
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Nope its not absurd, at least I've seen no reason to say that its absurd.


That's because you, by your own admission, know nothing about the subject.  You're not worth talking to about this, as you are content with being ignorant.

If I show you proof, you'll do the same as you did last time and ask questions that the links I send you answer.  If you're really interested, check the respective wikipedia pages.  I don't need to check them, as I know that one will have mountains of sources to back it up, while the other will have mountains of sources that refute it.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #168 on: May 27, 2008, 05:10 PM »
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Like I've explained, what you've just said has no relevance. The theory that the earth is young says that the world was created already made. That is, like Adam wasn't created as a fetus, but as a fully grown man, so to, on a much larger scale, the earth wasn't created young, an 'old' world was created recently! Do you understand what I'm saying? You are right, I don't know much about all this, but even I can see you haven't a shred of proof against this thing which you say is obviously rubbish, and ignorance etc.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #169 on: May 27, 2008, 05:12 PM »
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I have seen your links, and there is nothing which disproves this theory.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #170 on: May 27, 2008, 05:12 PM »
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This is from the Young Earth Creationism wikipedia page.

Many Young Earth creationists are active in the development of creation science, a creationist endeavor that holds that the events associated with supernatural creation can be evidenced and modelled through an interpretation of the scientific method. This has led to the establishment of a number of young Earth Creation Science organizations such as the Institute for Creation Research and the Creation Research Society.

"Young Earth creationists (YECs) claim that the lack of support for a Young Earth theory in professional science journals or among professional science organizations is due to discrimination and censorship.  The lack of support given by these professional journals and organizations reflect the overwhelming scientific consensus that Young Earth creationist claims have no scientific validity. For example, a statement by 68 national and international science academies lists as evidence-based facts that have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines, without any contradiction from scientific evidence, that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old and has shown continuing change, that life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago, and has subsequently taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, and that the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicates their common primordial origin."

"Young Earth creationism was abandoned as a mainstream scientific concept around the start of the 19th century" (Yes, as early as the start of the 1800s).

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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #171 on: May 27, 2008, 05:13 PM »
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I have seen your links, and there is nothing which disproves this theory.


What links?  I haven't sent you any links on the age of the earth.  I sent you links about evolution.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #172 on: May 27, 2008, 05:14 PM »
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What i've been refering to is not the standard young earth theory, like i've explained a couple of times already...
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #173 on: May 27, 2008, 05:15 PM »
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Ah, I thought you were trying to say that those hols you had sent me about evolution showed it was impossible to believe in a young earth. Sorry, i misunderstood you.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #174 on: May 27, 2008, 05:16 PM »
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Like I've explained, what you've just said has no relevance. The theory that the earth is young says that the world was created already made. That is, like Adam wasn't created as a fetus, but as a fully grown man, so to, on a much larger scale, the earth wasn't created young, an 'old' world was created recently! Do you understand what I'm saying? You are right, I don't know much about all this, but even I can see you haven't a shred of proof against this thing which you say is obviously rubbish, and ignorance etc.


It's like talking to a 10-year-old.  Young earth Creationists assert that the world is less than 10,000 years old.  That is their position.  Shall I spell it out for you?

I'm stunned that you have made it to whatever your current age is.  You probably believe in phrenology and astrology, too, and that humans lived with dinosaurs.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #175 on: May 27, 2008, 05:17 PM »
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What i've been refering to is not the standard young earth theory, like i've explained a couple of times already...


Well, that's irrelevant, as that's not what we are talking about here.  Guys like davidB think the earth is less than 10,000 years old.  That is the view of YEC and that's what we're discussing.  You're talking about something else entirely.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #176 on: May 27, 2008, 05:20 PM »
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I was refering to the theory which was mentioned in the other thread. But surely, it fits in with young earth as well?
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #177 on: May 27, 2008, 05:22 PM »
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And your comments just earlier are just another example of the disgusting way you're arguing about something.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #178 on: May 27, 2008, 05:23 PM »
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I was refering to the theory which was mentioned in the other thread. But surely, it fits in with young earth as well?


No, it doesn't.  Not in the sense we're discussing.  I'm talking about the AGE of the earth and not the means by which it came to be.  That's another argument entirely and one that does invite different views.  No one knows the origins of the universe.

That's something for another day, though.  I'm saying that asserting that the world is less than 10,000 years old is what is absurd, not its origins.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #179 on: May 27, 2008, 05:24 PM »
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Like speaking to a ten year old? I'm stunned you've made it to whatever your current age is?
I'm sorry, you're obnoxious.
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