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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3435 on: May 24, 2011, 06:27 AM »
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Quote from: Littlebuddha on May 23, 2011, 05:28 PM
Caz this information is for you. In Tibet the day of death is thought of as  highly important. It is believed that soon  as the death of the body has taken place, the personality goes into a state of
trance for four days. During the time the person does not know they are dead. This period is called First Bardo and during it the Lamas (monks) saying special verses can reach the dead person.
It is believed that towards the end of this time the dead person will see a brilliant light.  If the radiance of the
Clear Light does not terrify them, and they welcome it, then the person will not be reborn.  But most of them flee from the light, which then fades
The person then becomes conscious that death has occurred.  At this point the second bardo begins. The
person sees all that they have ever done or thought passing in front of them.  While they watch they feel they have a body but when they realise this is not so, they long to possess one again.  Then comes the third Bardo, which is the state of seeking another birth.  All previous thought and actions direct a person to choose new parents, who will give them their next body.
This is the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism.  Other Buddhist Traditions have slightly different procedures.
Japanese, Korean, Thailand, and most asian countries.
Hope this is of some use to you Caz. pray Think Think
[/quote Even though it's not what I think happens when we die, it's actually not all that far removed either! I can definately see where they're coming from! The spirits who 'welcome the light' must be the 'old souls' who've learnt their lessons here and are ready to progress to a higher level, without the need to reincarnate again! That was really interesting LB, so thank you for doing it for me! hug
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3436 on: May 24, 2011, 11:15 AM »
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Quote from: blueberryhill on May 23, 2011, 06:55 PM
I tend to agree with your distinction between "soft" and "hard" science. But my problem with some  research is that it IS flaky, but is presented to the public as fact. ASH producing "evidence" that smoking is not harmful would be an example. Another example would be that  we seem to  get endless contradictory evidence about what to eat/what not to eat/how much to drink etc. There's obviously too much money at stake.
Also, a different argument, but when we really do seem to  have some concrete evidence that could save lives eg  that reducing the speed limit,  in comes the motoring lobby and politicians get cold feet.
BTW Burt's stats weren't challenged for years, were they?

"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable."
Mark Twain

Most "science" concerning the effects of smoking were financed by the Tobacco industry, and you only get what they want you to see. Until relatively recently, when independant organizations started to look at the data presented by the tobacco people, which "proves" them wrong 100% of the time!
"Speed and lives" analysis is not science, it is mechanics, statistics...and stupidity! You go a certain velocity, hit something and you die! Where is the science in that? People die riding horses, bicycles, skateboards, etc., unless you apply physics to the motion there is no science in these studies to reduce speed. That is a political use of statistical data to alter social behavior. If you choose to buy snake oil from a good barker, don't blame science because it doesn't work!!!
No one "wants" to go slower!!! Perhaps we should make highways a "free kill zone" that'll reduce the traffic a bit, and get rid of the bad drivers.
Wait a minute.....what does any of this have to do with the thread's title? To rectify this I'll say that if we apply the logic of Arnaud Amalric ( a priest and grand inquisitor for the pope about 1209 who once said, as the chivilrious knights slaugthered 20,000 inhabitants of a Cathar city, " "Kill them all. For the Lord knows them that are His.") to the proposed FKZ highways, AND then it fits into this thread!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3437 on: May 24, 2011, 12:16 PM »
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Well said Buhweet....and nice to see you! I hope you're not working too hard!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3438 on: May 24, 2011, 01:20 PM »
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Quote from: Caz on May 24, 2011, 12:16 PM
Well said Buhweet....and nice to see you! I hope you're not working too hard!
Thanks....Work is in a total meltdown...but the new house is great!!! Hard to drive in these days, too much to do on the farm!!! But I have to pay for the house now!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3439 on: May 24, 2011, 01:26 PM »
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Quote from: Buhweet on May 24, 2011, 01:20 PM
Thanks....Work is in a total meltdown...but the new house is great!!! Hard to drive in these days, too much to do on the farm!!! But I have to pay for the house now!

I was thinking about you the other day as I was slogging away with my paintbrush, so thanks for the update Very Happy
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3440 on: May 24, 2011, 02:58 PM »
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Quote from: Buhweet on May 24, 2011, 01:20 PM
Thanks....Work is in a total meltdown...but the new house is great!!! Hard to drive in these days, too much to do on the farm!!! But I have to pay for the house now!
Is it an old house? You might have a wee ghostie or two! Don't forget to let us know if you have!  w00t Hey......glad you love it......I wish you every happiness there!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3441 on: May 24, 2011, 03:08 PM »
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Quote from: Caz on May 24, 2011, 02:58 PM
Is it an old house? You might have a wee ghostie or two! Don't forget to let us know if you have!  w00t Hey......glad you love it......I wish you every happiness there!
Only the foundations are old. Old house was distroyed. The top part is from about 2004. With on going renovations until 2008. The garden shed is "old" though! 100 years or more which in Geraldine's time line is "NOT" old.
Looking across the little valley, (about 800 meters) they are building an autostrata, and discovered a burial site dating back 5000 years or there-abouts. Walked over to see it, not much there, couple of graves, fire pit, but no evidence of the house.
Interesting in that it predates the Romans here. There are quite a few Roman sites around the area.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3442 on: May 24, 2011, 03:36 PM »
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Quote from: Clydey on May 23, 2011, 06:02 PM
There are some examples, but it's absurd to condemn science in its entirety. It's also worth pointing out that it was the scientific community that highlighted the problems with his research. The point is that if research is false, it will eventually be discovered to be so.

First of all, he never discovered anything that was even close to universally accepted. Secondly, we are talking about work done in the area of psychology, which is a soft science. Very few theories within the social sciences are as robust as those within the natural sciences. Thirdly, he falsified research. Nothing was accepted blindly. Moreover, research methods have been refined. Based on current standards, Freud wouldn't even have been published.

Pointing out mistakes that have since been rectified actually vindicates the scientific method, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with everything you've said here Clydey, [where would we be without science] but science hasn't discovered everything yet! In fact, what we know now, is probably infantismal in comparison to what we have yet to learn. It seems a pity to me that you either can't or won't, at least open your mind to other 'possibilities'! After all, absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3443 on: May 24, 2011, 03:39 PM »
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Quote from: Caz on May 24, 2011, 03:36 PM
I agree with everything you've said here Clydey, [where would we be without science] but science hasn't discovered everything yet! In fact, what we know now, is probably infantismal in comparison to what we have yet to learn. It seems a pity to me that you either can't or won't, at least open your mind to other 'possibilities'! After all, absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence!

I do have an open mind, but I'm not going to just believe something without evidence. Show me evidence and I'll look at it.
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3444 on: May 24, 2011, 03:44 PM »
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Exactly! I rest my case!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3445 on: May 24, 2011, 04:51 PM »
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Quote from: Buhweet on May 24, 2011, 03:08 PM
Only the foundations are old. Old house was distroyed. The top part is from about 2004. With on going renovations until 2008. The garden shed is "old" though! 100 years or more which in Geraldine's time line is "NOT" old.
Looking across the little valley, (about 800 meters) they are building an autostrata, and discovered a burial site dating back 5000 years or there-abouts. Walked over to see it, not much there, couple of graves, fire pit, but no evidence of the house.
Interesting in that it predates the Romans here. There are quite a few Roman sites around the area.
Wow......I missed this earlier! It sounds fantastic! People buried their dead 5,000 years ago? Whenever I've been in a graveyard, I used to like to imagine how the mourners would have been dressed as they stood around the old graves! I wonder what theyd've been like 5,000 years ago! The mind boggles! Hey, don't be surprised if you get a legion of Roman soldiers marching through you bedroom one of these nights!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3446 on: May 24, 2011, 07:53 PM »
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Looked round a house once and in the garden was a "listed" pig-sty! Hundreds of years old. So sweet to think of piggies living there for centuries Smile
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3447 on: May 25, 2011, 02:07 AM »
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Quote from: Caz on May 24, 2011, 02:58 PM
Is it an old house? You might have a wee ghostie or two! Don't forget to let us know if you have!  w00t Hey......glad you love it......I wish you every happiness there!
Houses don't have to be old to be haunted.  I recounted at some point on here the spooky goings-on in my parents' house four years after it was built on what had once been arable land, and for which they had to call on the minister of their church to exorcise the spirit.  I reckon a lot of spirits wander around, and if they find a place they fancy they'll move in!
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3448 on: May 25, 2011, 08:52 AM »
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Quote from: blueberryhill on May 24, 2011, 07:53 PM
Looked round a house once and in the garden was a "listed" pig-sty! Hundreds of years old. So sweet to think of piggies living there for centuries Smile
Awwww....I love piggies.....they're very intelligent......I feel guilty every time I eat pork! 
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Re: Religious Discussions « Reply #3449 on: May 25, 2011, 09:03 AM »
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Quote from: Aileen on May 25, 2011, 02:07 AM
Houses don't have to be old to be haunted.  I recounted at some point on here the spooky goings-on in my parents' house four years after it was built on what had once been arable land, and for which they had to call on the minister of their church to exorcise the spirit.  I reckon a lot of spirits wander around, and if they find a place they fancy they'll move in!
Yep, you're absolutely right Aileen! I suppose very old properties are just more likely to be haunted because people are more likely to have died in them. It sounds as though the whole area surrounding Buhweet's property has seen plenty of life and death, so even if there are no wee ghosties in his house, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had one or two in his back yard! Heh heh!
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