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Clydey
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3585 on: March 04, 2012, 02:46 AM »
Quote from: Emma Jean on March 04, 2012, 01:24 AM
And how do we know it isn't a conscious process? Everything we do in life is a concious process.
Because evolution isn't a conscious process. This is a fact.
And no, not everything we do is conscious. That's besides the point, though.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3586 on: March 04, 2012, 08:51 AM »
It's the word "gollywog" that is offensive because it has been used as a term of racial abuse. You've also gotta admit the toy itself is a bit of a stereotype. A bit too close to the "blacking up" that the black and white minstrels used to do.
Language is important because it structures thought and also lays down indicators about what is acceptable in society.
I'm not sure there are such clear markers about what your apparently condoning and racial abuse either.
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« Reply #3587 on: March 04, 2012, 09:28 AM »
And in comes the Roman Catholic church trying to impose it's morality on non-believers regarding gay marriage. Don't you just love it, not
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« Reply #3588 on: March 04, 2012, 01:44 PM »
The universe is always changing. New stars and planet are born and old ones die. Man is still learning about the universe, I am sure it made itself and has been here for millions of years. The Higgs Bosun experiment being carried out in Cerne is looking for the so called GOD particle I am sure they will succeed in time. I am sure there is not a god but the universe came to be with the Big Bang and continues to change and will continue to do so. We will, all long be dead when our sun goes supernova but I am sure the universe will continue to evolve.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3589 on: March 04, 2012, 01:55 PM »
Religion should not be taught in schools, it should be up to parents to teach their religious beliefs to their children. In some parts of Scotland this has caused a lot of Bigotry. When new schools were being built two entrances to the building had to be built, one for Catholics and one for Protestants I could not believe it what a waste of money. No wonder there are still problems concerning religion. It is time for this to stop. All orange walks and catholic walks should be stopped they are like red rags to a bull and cause nothing but trouble.
Religion has caused nothing but trouble and educators should have nothing to do with it. It is the parents who should take care of religious teaching.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3590 on: March 05, 2012, 02:51 AM »
Quote from: blueberryhill on March 04, 2012, 08:51 AM
It's the word "gollywog" that is offensive because it has been used as a term of racial abuse. You've also gotta admit the toy itself is a bit of a stereotype. A bit too close to the "blacking up" that the black and white minstrels used to do.
Language is important because it structures thought and also lays down indicators about what is acceptable in society.
I'm not sure there are such clear markers about what your apparently condoning and racial abuse either.
I accept your point about gollywogs, but isn't the suggested removal of the word "black" from a nursery rhyme taking things a little too far? Unlike gollywogs, black sheep do exist, and so the only reason I can see why anyone should object to it is because the expression "black sheep" refers to somebody who is an outcast, so given that interpretation, it could be seen as insulting.
Quote from: Littlebuddha on March 04, 2012, 01:55 PM
Religion should not be taught in schools, it should be up to parents to teach their religious beliefs to their children. In some parts of Scotland this has caused a lot of Bigotry.
When new schools were being built two entrances to the building had to be built, one for Catholics and one for Protestants
I could not believe it what a waste of money. No wonder there are still problems concerning religion. It is time for this to stop. All orange walks and catholic walks should be stopped they are like red rags to a bull and cause nothing but trouble.
Religion has caused nothing but trouble and educators should have nothing to do with it. It is the parents who should take care of religious teaching.
This was at the instigation of the Catholic Church in Scotland - the same church which also tried (unsuccessfully as far as I know) to insist that Catholic teaching staff and pupils should have separate toilets, cloakrooms and eating facilities from the other staff and pupils, whether Protestants or of other faiths. Of course this largely applied to the Glasgow area and its surrounds where religious bigotry is still alive and kicking.
Last December the Scottish government passed a Bill making sectarianism in football a punishable offence, so maybe it's time they also looked at sectarianism in schools because it's at this level that the fire of religious bigotry, which often starts in the home, is likely to be further fuelled. And, yes - it's high time that Catholic and Orange parades anywhere in Scotland were also declared illegal.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3591 on: March 05, 2012, 07:22 AM »
Aileen: The problem is that the word "black" is used almost totally negatively in our language eg blackmail etc. Exactly, "black sheep" has come to have negative connotations, even though, as you say, initially it does seem quite daft to remove it from a nursery rhyme. BTW I
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think that's daft! It doesn't address anything and makes folk feel cross.
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« Reply #3592 on: March 05, 2012, 10:59 AM »
Quote from: Clydey on March 04, 2012, 12:33 AM
It's not just a view. It's an established scientific fact.
Yeah evolution (to some extent) is, but scientific fact cannot disprove that there is a God. It can be used to argue against the existence of God but can also be used to argue for the existence of God. Not all Christians after all shun science
Quote from: blueberryhill on March 04, 2012, 09:28 AM
And in comes the Roman Catholic church trying to impose it's morality on non-believers regarding gay marriage. Don't you just love it, not
My view is that I can't expect people who don't believe to follow a lifestyle that is pleasing to God- Christians don't manage to either I must add
. If you don't believe then of course you're not going to care that God says you shouldn't
Of course God is there and does want us to live a lifestyle that is pleasing to him (notice to God and not the RCC) and there will be a day of judgement, but if you choose not to believe then you don't believe this is coming and so don't factor it into decisions.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3593 on: March 05, 2012, 11:09 AM »
Quote from: Littlebuddha on March 04, 2012, 01:55 PM
Religion should not be taught in schools, it should be up to parents to teach their religious beliefs to their children. In some parts of Scotland this has caused a lot of Bigotry. When new schools were being built two entrances to the building had to be built, one for Catholics and one for Protestants I could not believe it what a waste of money. No wonder there are still problems concerning religion. It is time for this to stop. All orange walks and catholic walks should be stopped they are like red rags to a bull and cause nothing but trouble.
Religion has caused nothing but trouble and educators should have nothing to do with it. It is the parents who should take care of religious teaching.
Just focusing on the religion should not be taught in schools. I'm not talking about children being told that they should believe in one religion or another. What is taught today in most schools is 'knowledge' about the different religions so that they can understand the religious and cultural make-up of the world.
So saying that parents should teach it in the home if they want them to know, yes that's true. If you subscribe to a certain religion then you will probably teach your child of the God you believe in and teach them to believe for themselves.
This is completely different to what I am saying schools should be doing. I'm saying lose the bias and wrong perception that kids in Britain today know the basic teachings and beliefs of the Church just because they live in a supposedly 'Christian' country. The curriculum should put as much time into teaching kids the basic beliefs of Christianity as they do Islam, Hinduism etc.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3594 on: March 05, 2012, 11:43 AM »
Quote from: Hazybear on March 05, 2012, 10:59 AM
but can also be used to argue for the existence of God.
Can you give an example?
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3595 on: March 05, 2012, 12:07 PM »
Quote from: Mark on March 05, 2012, 11:43 AM
Can you give an example?
I was just about to post that.
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3596 on: March 05, 2012, 12:20 PM »
Isn't it physicists who tend to believe in God and biologists who don't? I find that absolutely fascinating.
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« Reply #3597 on: March 05, 2012, 12:24 PM »
I'm an atheist but I believe Protestantism/Catholicism should be taught in schools. You can't possibly understand British history/culture without an understanding of the religious background to it all.
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« Reply #3598 on: March 05, 2012, 12:48 PM »
Quote from: Mark on March 05, 2012, 11:43 AM
Can you give an example?
Quote from: Sir Panda on March 05, 2012, 12:07 PM
I was just about to post that.
Okay yeah this is a historical list as well but look at the guys alive today who are all scientists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science
Also look at the Faraday Institute. A lot of extremely intelligent men and women, a lot who are scientists who also believe in God and evolution.
For me I believe in micro evolution. That God made us but with the ability to evolve to survive in our environment
. The acceptance of the fact of evolution does not equal proof that God does not exist. There are arguments (and I'll have to search names and get back to you) that God made us with the ability to evolve.
I know that doesn't really answer what you've asked specifically but I need to look up names and examples. Here's the link for Faraday Institute, really interesting.
http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/faraday/index.php
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Re: Religious Discussions
« Reply #3599 on: March 05, 2012, 01:04 PM »
Obviously there are scientists who are Christians but like I said, I'd be fascinated to know a credible example of science being used as an argument for God.
Given what you said, I would have thought you'd know of an example, or were you just making a casual assumption?
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