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Re: UK riots « Reply #300 on: August 15, 2011, 07:54 AM »
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This is from an article last year:-

Figures released to Parliament last month show that child benefit is being paid to the UK-based parents of 28,760 children living in Poland.

The cost is estimated at £23.8 million. On top of that 2,051 children in Slovakia benefit from the payments, along with 1,012 in Lithuania, 295 in the Czech Republic and 113 in Bulgaria.

Perhaps it would be better to support the kids that are in the UK first. dontknow
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Re: UK riots « Reply #301 on: August 15, 2011, 08:11 AM »
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Yes.....my thoughts exactly! Thanks for the info Bev!
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Re: UK riots « Reply #302 on: August 15, 2011, 11:33 AM »
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Thank you all for your views> I am only trying to get over my point of view. Some people on this site seem to think that everything is hunky dorie in this country. It is not. I have just sat and listen to Cameron  and Milliband on the news this morning.  Both of them have said what they are going to do for the "Broken Society".  Cameron says he is going to build Academy Schools, have more youth groups, and various other schemes to get young people into work. Milliband suggests more work with families.  We will wait and see I am sure all those promises have been made before. I hope with all my heart that these things do happen. If you are illiterate it is very hard to find work, I really do hope that the schools do improve and young people find encouragement to achieve what they hope for.
And I was not referring to children aged 7 but the reading age of older youths. I repeat again I want to see all the young people who live in poor areas do well and be part of society. I hate poverty and lack of education and hope for a good job and brighter future. I have said my piece and will not make any further comment about this topic,
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Re: UK riots « Reply #303 on: August 15, 2011, 11:55 AM »
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Thank you all for your views> I am only trying to get over my point of view. Some people on this site seem to think that everything is hunky dorie in this country. It is not. I have just sat and listen to Cameron  and Milliband on the news this morning.  Both of them have said what they are going to do for the "Broken Society".  Cameron says he is going to build Academy Schools, have more youth groups, and various other schemes to get young people into work. Milliband suggests more work with families.  We will wait and see I am sure all those promises have been made before. I hope with all my heart that these things do happen. If you are illiterate it is very hard to find work, I really do hope that the schools do improve and young people find encouragement to achieve what they hope for.
And I was not referring to children aged 7 but the reading age of older youths. I repeat again I want to see all the young people who live in poor areas do well and be part of society. I hate poverty and lack of education and hope for a good job and brighter future. I have said my piece and will not make any further comment about this topic,
Thanks for what you've been saying littlebuddha.  I agree that there is much wrong with our society - at the top as much as at the bottom and the two can't be divorced from each other given the level of inequality which is startlingly high in both historical and comparative perspective .  Not read yet what Cameron and Miliband have said but I do think we need an independent inquiry into the underlying causes of the riots - which are not necessarily the same as the immediate causes behind specific individuals participating in them.  If it's simply a case of condemnation and punitive criminal justice and social policies [like taking away benefits and housing] it will only make matters worse. 
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Re: UK riots « Reply #304 on: August 15, 2011, 12:05 PM »
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Quote from: Littlebuddha link=topic=18801.msg651741#msg651741
And I was not referring to children aged 7 but the reading age of older youths. I repeat again I want to see all the young people who live in poor areas do well and be part of society. I hate poverty and lack of education and hope for a good job and brighter future. I have said my piece and will not make any further comment about this topic,

Yes LB, I did get your point on this and that you were referring to youth with a reading age of 7 but were obviously older than that but that can be improved on with parents helping out at home - this latter part being my point. 
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Re: UK riots « Reply #305 on: August 15, 2011, 12:31 PM »
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Yes LB, I did get your point on this and that you were referring to youth with a reading age of 7 but were obviously older than that but that can be improved on with parents helping out at home - this latter part being my point. 
I love the assumption that their parents can read! Many of these kids have no parents or one alcoholic, or drugged parent on benefit.
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Re: UK riots « Reply #306 on: August 15, 2011, 07:37 PM »
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Buck has to stop somewhere MT, and the blame can't all be on the government.  They (the parents of the youths committing the crimes) have/had parents too.

I don't think that we should give up on our youth - they are our future afterall but the don't help themselves sometimes.

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Re: UK riots « Reply #307 on: August 16, 2011, 06:17 AM »
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I love the assumption that their parents can read! Many of these kids have no parents or one alcoholic, or drugged parent on benefit.
You're right MT! The parents can't read either and do you know why? Because they were the first, or in some cases the second generation to 'benefit'?.......'suffer'? from the control being taken away from the teachers and the parents!
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Re: UK riots « Reply #308 on: August 16, 2011, 12:35 PM »
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You're right MT! The parents can't read either and do you know why? Because they were the first, or in some cases the second generation to 'benefit'?.......'suffer'? from the control being taken away from the teachers and the parents!
One other thing we haven't mentioned of course is the horrendous effect of television and internet , ipods, games etc all ruthlessly marketed at children. All of these distract from learning and reading and spending time with parents. This plus self indulgent dumbed down education experiments have caused thousands of children to be left behind struggling to read, write or understand.
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Re: UK riots « Reply #309 on: August 16, 2011, 03:05 PM »
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MT, once again I find myself agreeing with you! I would also like to add texting with the awful 'textspeak' such as 'ur' and 'b4' ect. I'm also appalled to see how many young people either have ther phone glued to their ear or are busy texting as they walk along the street, sometimes even when they are crossing the road! Not only is this dangerous, but I feel saddened about how much they are missing what is happening in the world around them! I think a lot of them are actually addicted!
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Re: UK riots « Reply #310 on: August 16, 2011, 03:26 PM »
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Driving while texting is a Big problem here in the states .It is against the law in some states but these kids still do it. causes horrendous accidents.
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Re: UK riots « Reply #311 on: August 16, 2011, 05:05 PM »
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Driving while texting is a Big problem here in the states .It is against the law in some states but these kids still do it. causes horrendous accidents.
There are a lot of pedestrians here getting knocked over as they listen to music - not all kids either! I guess there is no way back though we just have to face it - communication is different now. It has to be instant because attention spans have shortened.My18 year old daughter has just read this thread and told me that kids now are a lot smarter than we were and I am just an old reactionary. Hey ho.
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Re: UK riots « Reply #312 on: August 16, 2011, 05:56 PM »
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Ha ha...serves you right!    Sorry......I couldn't resist! Whistle     I've got to say though, my kids are a lot smarter than me, but then I never had private education! However, I am much, much 'wiser' than they are Very Happy
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Re: UK riots « Reply #313 on: August 16, 2011, 09:38 PM »
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One other thing we haven't mentioned of course is the horrendous effect of television and internet , ipods, games etc all ruthlessly marketed at children. All of these distract from learning and reading and spending time with parents.

Would agree with you on this point.  It infuriates me when school give kids homework that involves research on the internet.  Not everyone has a computer, access to a computer or access to the internet, without having to pay for it!  I feel for the parents of Orewa College that have to supposedly supply their year 8 children with an ipad as it's on next year's stationery list. no

http://www.3news.co.nz/Orewa-College-leads-iPad-introduction/tabid/817/articleID/219329/Default.aspx

I've got to say though, my kids a a lot smarter than me.  However, I am much, much 'wiser' than them! Very Happy

yes Agree with you here.  
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Re: UK riots « Reply #314 on: August 18, 2011, 11:31 AM »
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Would agree with you on this point.  It infuriates me when school give kids homework that involves research on the internet.  Not everyone has a computer, access to a computer or access to the internet, without having to pay for it!  I feel for the parents of Orewa College that have to supposedly supply their year 8 children with an ipad as it's on next year's stationery list. no

http://www.3news.co.nz/Orewa-College-leads-iPad-introduction/tabid/817/articleID/219329/Default.aspx

yes Agree with you here. 

Truly the lunatics have taken over the asylum - ipods on the stationery list!! It is all about money. In US Rupert Murdoch has won billion pound contracts to provide educational software in several states - teaching aids apparently - should a man like RM be allowed anywhere near our kids education?
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