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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #60 on: May 20, 2010, 10:32 AM »
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So this was George's idea.  WHERE IS GEORGE???  Probably still recovering from Andy's latest defeat.

VERY busily trying to finish polishing Chapter 5 of my book for the ladies !!


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Glad you found some of the language a bit impenetrable and agree that theories of any kind should be accessible to all, not couched in obscure terminology.  However, there were some interesting points, but more on that later. 

Everybody should aim for plain English.


Thanks James.  I had thought about copying it and pasting it, so will do that.

Actually I cut and paste into Word, and then copy back.  “QED”!  Oops .. “as can be seen here” I mean.


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What, briefly, is life coaching and neurolinguistic programming? 

“Life coaching” is coaching about life.  “Neuro” is to do with neurons in the brain which make it do things. “linguistic” is language.

The sense of words should be clear from the sentence, but I’m not keen on compound made-up words, especially based on Latin as in medicine, which are deliberately esoteric elitist and obscurantist.


You should have seen some of the looks I got when I said I was interested in studying sex crime,

I know very little about sex-crimes. What is interesting about them? Aren’t they just a form of criminal assault, perpetrated by vicious offenders?


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as though merely studying it should be illegal.

Yeah, but, that shouldn’t come as a surprise. The world is sadly full of anti-intellectual ignoramuses, isn’t it?  We have to think ourselves lucky we are not one, don’t we?  We are the educated.  We are the priviledged.


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What to do? How to act? Who to be? These are focal questions for everyone living in circumstances of late modernity and ones which, on some level or another, all of us answer...” (Giddens, 1991, p.70).
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Thanks James for starting this thread.  Here are some of my personal thoughts to these questions Giddens raised.

I believe we are Eternal Beings in physical form.  I believe the purpose of Life is Joy, to be Happy.    Take any goal you have and if you look carefully at the root cause (by keep asking why) we want anything, it is to have that feeling of Joy.

The Basis of Life is Freedom, i.e. we are all unique Beings with Free Will,  and our preferences evolve and change over time.  An analogy is that of a buffet where we all enjoy eating different food,  and our preference changes from one day to another.   There is no absolute right or wrong. 

This Universe is based on the Law of Deliberate Creation to support our life here on Earth which states :
"That which you give thought to, and that which you Believe or Expect, Is."

This means that
a) From the contrast of life (good and bad),  we form our preferences and therefore decide on our goals (which can change over time)

b) By focusing our thoughts on that which our heart desires,  by maintaining a confident physiology, by being fully Associated in our internal representations (strong and clear internal Visual, Kinesthetic, Audio elements) (Neuro Linguistic Programming), being expectant of a positive result and not let doubt clouds our mind, we draw and bring unto us from the world of energy and infinite potential into its physical manifestation that which we desire.

Therefore we can do whatever our heart desires, what we feel is correct.  We all have an internal compass, an internal conscience to tell us what is right or wrong. We can act in any way that we believe is appropriate, that will help us achieve our goals. We can be as Joyful as we can be, focusing on the activities that  bring us Joy.  We all have unique callings, and life purpose.  It is our responsibility to find out our talents and destiny. quote]

That strikes a bell with me Philip, but I don’t have time to go into detail until I finish Chapter 5 for the “Elizabeth Gwen” thread, but I will include a copy of my Daily Prayer to the Creator, which is very much based on what you say, and where my astronomical studies become evident.



"Twinkle, twinkle little star, How I wonder what you are, Up above the clouds so high, Like a diamond in the sky!

Thank you Lord, for the Joy of knowing the Glory of Your awesome Material universe of Perceived, virtual reality, stretching out to its unimaginably distant, rapidly receding, invisible, unreachable, border,

made up of billions of billions of stars we cannot see in the present, but only in the distant past and 5 times as much Dark Matter we can’t see or understand, and billions of multi-dimensional, supernatural, Black Holes, we can’t see or understand leading to other supernatural universes, we can’t see or understand, all made up of, microscopic fundamental particles, we can’t see or understand, leading to billions of other universes, we can’t see or understand

resulting from Your awesome creative explosion, which is beyond our ability to conceive or understand.

 
And we thank You even more for the joy of knowing the Glory of Your even more awesome, multi-dimensional heavenly universe of conceived real reality,

which stretches everywhere, both before our material universe and after it, and beyond it and within it, where we lead a parallel existence,

floating through life, in the cradle of Your loving arms, in the company of all Your children,

safe in the knowledge of Your infinite, undying love and care and able to love, worship and serve You in return by doing Your Will with Your help, loving and caring for Your children,

and especially Your favourite child, me, who is the apple of Your eye and the light of Your life,

who You love most and most want to be happy and who You created the Universe to produce, making me its cause.



RELATED QUOTATIONS.

Size of the Universe:
(Sorry about the intruder in the middle .. typical U-tube).
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html 156 Billion Light Years Dia
         78 BLY Rad


Michael Skapinker in the Financial Times, while finding that "Dawkins' attack on the creationists is devastatingly effective", considers him "maddeningly inconsistent". He argues that, since Dawkins accepts that

"current theories about the universe (such as quantum theory) may be already knocking at the door of the unfathomable and the universe may be not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose",

"the thought of how limited our comprehension is should introduce a certain diffidence into our attempted refutations of those who think they have the answer".[55]

Oxytocin. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7412438.stm  increases trust.

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In current twelve-step program usage a Higher Power can be anything at all that the member believes is adequate. Reported examples include Nature, consciousness, existential freedom, their twelve-step group, God, science, Buddha. It is frequently stipulated that as long as a Higher Power is "greater" than the individual, then the only condition is that it should also be loving and caring.[5]




OK. Back to Chapter 5.  I’ve got to keep my fans happy!!
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #61 on: May 20, 2010, 10:51 AM »
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"I know very little about sex-crimes. What is interesting about them? Aren’t they just a form of criminal assault, perpetrated by vicious offenders?"
"Everybody should aim for plain English."

I agree with that George ... intellectual snobbery is very boring.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #62 on: May 20, 2010, 12:10 PM »
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VERY busily trying to finish polishing Chapter 5 of my book for the ladies !!
Oooooh you charmer, George! wub

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“Life coaching” is coaching about life.  “Neuro” is to do with neurons in the brain which make it do things. “linguistic” is language.

The sense of words should be clear from the sentence, but I’m not keen on compound made-up words, especially based on Latin as in medicine, which are deliberately esoteric elitist and obscurantist.
Well I did 3 years compulsory Latin at school (urghhh!) and I also studied biology to the Higher Grade of the then Scottish School Leaving Certificate, so I'm quite happy with a lot of medical words, but I'm a strong advocate of plain English as far as possible.  Could be wrong, but I sometimes feel that people use these made-up words as a sort of crutch to save them having to go into lengthy explanations of just exactly what they're trying to say; or could it simply be intellectual snobbery?  Even the medical profession have started putting some words in English - like "send" instead of the mysterious "mitte" on prescriptions.

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I know very little about sex-crimes. What is interesting about them? Aren’t they just a form of criminal assault, perpetrated by vicious offenders?
Each to their own, George.  Personally I can't for the life of me understand why people want to be dentists or chiropodists.  Only Clydey can answer this one.

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Yeah, but, that shouldn’t come as a surprise. The world is sadly full of anti-intellectual ignoramuses, isn’t it?  We have to think ourselves lucky we are not one, don’t we?  We are the educated.  We are the priviledged.
Now that smacks a little of snobbery!   Intellectuals leave me cold but I'm no ignoramus.  I had the, albeit minimal, qualifications to go to university but chose not to because by the time I got to 17 I'd had quite enough of formal learning.  I did a secretarial course instead and have never regretted it.

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OK. Back to Chapter 5.  I’ve got to keep my fans happy!!
We'll start a little fan club for you. Very Happy
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #63 on: May 20, 2010, 12:16 PM »
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Thanks for the video intruder.  I enjoyed it, especially as the presenter was trying to explain astronomy in simple terms .....
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #64 on: May 21, 2010, 11:51 AM »
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Oooooh you charmer, George! wub

Nope, just saying it as I see it. It’s intriguing actually. Now I know I’ve got readers, I’m putting in extra bits for their entertainment and delight, although it is causing a delay to completing the Chapter.

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Could be wrong, but I sometimes feel that people use these made-up words as a sort of crutch to save them having to go into lengthy explanations of just exactly what they're trying to say; or could it simply be intellectual snobbery? 

There is a serious criticism of sociology (and other subjects) that some people think that if they attach a technical term to a problem then they’ve thrown light on it, when they’ve done nothing of the kind.

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Intellectuals leave me cold

It all depends what you mean by “intellectual” as opposed to “academic”. For my money a true intellectual is a plain speaking searcher after the truth who can’t stand waffle, which some academics are not.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #65 on: May 22, 2010, 04:57 AM »
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Nope, just saying it as I see it. It’s intriguing actually. Now I know I’ve got readers, I’m putting in extra bits for their entertainment and delight, although it is causing a delay to completing the Chapter.
That'll make it all the more delectable for your readers. Little tongue man

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There is a serious criticism of sociology (and other subjects) that some people think that if they attach a technical term to a problem then they’ve thrown light on it, when they’ve done nothing of the kind.
Well, that's certainly another way of looking at it, but how can they truly believe they've shed light on something which is incomprehensible to the lay person?  I say that that's a form of intellectual arrogance - "we know something you don't, therefore we're superior to you".

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It all depends what you mean by “intellectual” as opposed to “academic”. For my money a true intellectual is a plain speaking searcher after the truth who can’t stand waffle, which some academics are not.
If you take the dictionary meaning of "intellectual" as "a highly intelligent person", then that's fine, but to me there's an extremely narrow line between being an intellectual to the point where your thinking or tastes become so refined that you cannot reach down to those whose intellect, or intelligence, is lower than yours, and academics who consider themselves to be intellectuals because they have been trained to think, argue and reason to the point where their intuitive thought processes are totally swamped by the need to have everything based on proven theories or results, otherwise it simply cannot be right.

Interestingly, I have a cousin who's a retired Professor in German Studies at Strathclyde University and conversations with him frequently take the form of inquisitions!  Yet, on the other hand, I have a very close friend who gained a PhD in political history and became a university lecturer until budget cuts saw him dumped on the academic scrap heap.  Because he needed the money, he went on to take a course in librarianship and for 10 years worked as a lowly Library Assistant, keeping his brain stimulated by writing the occasional article for learned journals and trying (unsuccessfully) to write a history book.  He eventually did get back into the world of academia for a few years and found to his surprise that he actively disliked the inellectualism he once so cherished.   He's still as highly intelligent as ever, and enjoys having the occasional intellectual argument, but thats as far as it goes.

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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #66 on: May 22, 2010, 05:01 AM »
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If you take the dictionary meaning of "intellectual" as "a highly intelligent person", then that's fine, but to me there's an extremely narrow line between being an intellectual to the point where your thinking or tastes become so refined that you cannot reach down to those whose intellect, or intelligence, is lower than yours, and academics who consider themselves to be intellectuals because they have been trained to thisnk, argue and reason to the point where their intuitive thought processes are totally swamped by the need to have everything based on proven theories or results, otherwise it simply cannot be right.

I don't think there's any shame in basing your beliefs on evidence. What else would you base your beliefs on, if not evidence?
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #67 on: May 22, 2010, 05:04 AM »
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I know very little about sex-crimes. What is interesting about them? Aren’t they just a form of criminal assault, perpetrated by vicious offenders?

There's more to it than that. In fact, that's precisely the view I take issue with. Rather than attempting to understand why they do what they do, people too readily dismiss them as "monsters". That's far too simplistic.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #68 on: May 22, 2010, 05:28 AM »
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I don't think there's any shame in basing your beliefs on evidence. What else would you base your beliefs on, if not evidence?
Of course there's no shame in basing beliefs on hard facts, but that doesn't mean that empirical beliefs are necessarily wrong.

There's more to it than that. In fact, that's precisely the view I take issue with. Rather than attempting to understand why they do what they do, people too readily dismiss them as "monsters". That's far too simplistic.
Agree with you entirely on this.  However horrible these crimes are, I believe that many sex offenders are more to be pitied than condemned.  There must be complex psychological and emotional reasons which cause people to commit such crimes.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #69 on: May 22, 2010, 07:52 AM »
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Of course there's no shame in basing beliefs on hard facts, but that doesn't mean that empirical beliefs are necessarily wrong.
Agree with you entirely on this.  However horrible these crimes are, I believe that many sex offenders are more to be pitied than condemned.  There must be complex psychological and emotional reasons which cause people to commit such crimes.

I don't think George was saying that sex offenders should not be pitied .... what he was said was "I know very little about sex-crimes. What is interesting about them".
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #70 on: May 22, 2010, 02:46 PM »
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http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/briefings/adultsexoffenders_wda48227.html

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Female_Sex_Offenders-Female_Sexual_Predators_awareness.aspx

I admire people who can work with, and help rehabilitate here.  It must take a lot of detachment and emotional distance.

As a mum, I'm not too sure what I would have been capable of, if someone had hurt my child in that way. 
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #71 on: May 22, 2010, 04:44 PM »
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It's actually my essay, not Giddens'. I tried to simplify much of what he said. I gather I didn't simplify it as much as I'd have liked.
Sorry Clydey -misunderstood and hadn't read the piece itself because of lack of time [which still an issue]. But will try and do so when things let up. Hope your exam went well.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #72 on: May 22, 2010, 06:11 PM »
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Well, that's certainly another way of looking at it, but how can they truly believe they've shed light on something which is incomprehensible to the lay person?  I say that that's a form of intellectual arrogance - "we know something you don't, therefore we're superior to you".

It can also be a bit fraudulent. Sometimes they pretend they’ve discovered something when they haven’t.

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If you take the dictionary meaning of "intellectual" as "a highly intelligent person", then that's fine, but to me there's an extremely narrow line between being an intellectual to the point where your thinking or tastes become so refined that you cannot reach down to those whose intellect, or intelligence, is lower than yours,

I guess this is a matter of degree. It all depends how obscure the subject is, and how bright the listener is. I’m not very good on some advanced maths.

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and academics who consider themselves to be intellectuals because they have been trained to think, argue and reason to the point where their intuitive thought processes are totally swamped by the need to have everything based on proven theories or results, otherwise it simply cannot be right.

There are only two different sorts of statement. Those based on logic, (which includes maths), and those based on fact, which are based on evidence.

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He eventually did get back into the world of academia for a few years and found to his surprise that he actively disliked the inellectualism he once so cherished.   He's still as highly intelligent as ever, and enjoys having the occasional intellectual argument, but thats as far as it goes.

Some academics are insecure, overcompetitive, non-communicative and unfriendly.
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #73 on: May 22, 2010, 06:24 PM »
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There's more to it than that.

Yes, but what, and what’s interesting about why people are rapists and paedophiles?

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In fact, that's precisely the view I take issue with.

But sexual assault is vicious and is an offence by definition isn’t it?

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Rather than attempting to understand why they do what they do, people too readily dismiss them as "monsters".

Understanding why they do what they do, doesn’t stop their being monsters. It only explains why they are monsters, doesn’t it?
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Re: Sociology Thread « Reply #74 on: May 22, 2010, 06:37 PM »
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Yes, but what, and what’s interesting about why people are rapists and paedophiles?

But sexual assault is vicious and is an offence by definition isn’t it?

Understanding why they do what they do, doesn’t stop their being monsters. It only explains why they are monsters, doesn’t it?

People, it would appear, get that way because mostly, they've suffered some sort of abuse in their background.

However, I also feel (no facts) that some people are just born with a 'bad streak'.  It's inherent in them and it must be what starts things off

I mean, the whole 'abuse' thing must have started somewhere?  The excuse of it being passed down can't have always been the case?
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