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My point?  If you were the slightest bit astute ..... well, we'll just leave it at that ....

If I'm not "the slightest bit astute", the same must also apply to Buhweet. He regularly insulted me too. You can't have it both ways, Thomas.
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You can't have it both ways, Thomas.

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If I'm not "the slightest bit astute", the same must also apply to Buhweet. He regularly insulted me too. You can't have it both ways, Thomas.

You give almost everyone cause to insult you ... let's see, what could I possibly call you today .... how about bottom dweller ...
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You give almost everyone cause to insult you ... let's see, what could I possibly call you today .... how about bottom dweller ...

If I give almost everyone cause to insult me, why don't they do it? Keep your toys in the pram, Thomas.
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If I'm not "the slightest bit astute", the same must also apply to Buhweet. He regularly insulted me too. You can't have it both ways, Thomas.
Trading insults is just a hobby.
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My point?  If you were the slightest bit astute ..... well, we'll just leave it at that ....

Daisy you have GOT to be joking, ...   but we'll see ....
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You give almost everyone cause to insult you ... let's see, what could I possibly call you today .... how about bottom dweller ...

There ya go then ....
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C'mon Daisy you know these two guys live in the same pram.
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Because we rely on others. Nothing is done in isolation. Einstein could not have come up with his ideas if not for the work of scientists that came before him. Therefore, his ideas are not simply the product of his genius.

It is not just passed on genetically. Creative works do not just happen in isolation. They are inspired by the works of others. That doesn't even take into account the people who are involved in the physical production of our work. Look at the section I wrote on Martin Scorsese and you'll see what I mean.
I didn't deny that creative works do not happen in isolation, or that they are not inspired by the works of others, but you're ignoring my conclusion that the end result is down to the unique, and therefore singular, perception and interpretation of the individual, since no two people will preceive or interpret in the same way.  If, as I believe to be the case, that perception and interpretation are unique to every individual, then the end result of that which has inspired or stimulated a genius to carry a work of art or an invention to it's ultimate fulfilment or conclusion is also unique, and is therefore singular.  

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The point I was making is that her environment and her experiences led to her coming up with that idea. The chances of her coming up with that idea in a different environment, with different experiences, are tiny.
So you're basically agreeing with me, only you're looking at it from a different angle?
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I didn't deny that creative works do not happen in isolation, or that they are inspired by the works of others

They are not just inspired the works of others. They occur because of the works of others. They cannot possibly happen without those works. Therefore, their ideas are not a product of their singular genius.

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but you're ignoring my conclusion that the end result is down to the unique, and therefore singular, perception and interpretation of the individual, since no two people will preceive or interpret in the same way.


That is irrelevant because how we interpret things is the result of our experiences, our biology, etc. The way we interpret things is not innate. How we think is directly influenced by others. That is why there is no such thing as singular genius. There's an easy way to prove this. You give me one example of something that resulted from one person's singular genius and I'll give you a list of people who were involved in the production of that idea.
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I quite like the idea of what James is saying.

At work, we have a System Architect who is a genius.  He writes many technical papers himself on topics to start off the design work, as well as pull together all ideas into a System Architecture SUMMARY document greater than 400 pages long.  He leads most if not all the major technical development threads for a team of hundreds of engineers across many countries.  The product we are producing is a unique Satcom system delivering new and vital communication services across parts of the world never served before.

Of course, the System Architect is clever enough to learn and do everything himself but if he does then it would take so long that we will never deliver a system to the customer !

What I like about James point is that as I visibly contribute to a part of the system design, interface definition, integration, testing, ... I am part of the collective genius, and hence I am a minor genius whereas the System Architect is also a collective Genius but a much more major one lol
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^^ yes you are a genius Philip hug
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Thanks Hazel lol
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