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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #720 on: November 03, 2012, 08:20 PM »
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 Bagpipes Forever!!!
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #721 on: November 03, 2012, 09:14 PM »
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Quote from: MT on November 03, 2012, 06:47 PM
The main objection to an independent Scotland as far as I am concerned is the incompetence of the politicians who would be running it. I don't believe they have the slightest idea what they are doing.  Bagpipes

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Totally agree with your comment.  I also think we are too small a population to be able to cope with the cost of it all.  The more this rages on, the more British I feel - and proud of it.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #722 on: November 03, 2012, 11:27 PM »
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Quote from: MT on November 03, 2012, 06:47 PM
The main objection to an independent Scotland as far as I am concerned is the incompetence of the politicians who would be running it. I don't believe they have the slightest idea what they are doing.  Bagpipes

No concern about the incompetence of Westminster politicians?
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #723 on: November 03, 2012, 11:30 PM »
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I'm a bit confused by some things that were mentioned in FM's question time this week.

1st the Sterling Zone and 2nd the EU debacle:-

Alex Salmond defended his assertions on retaining sterling, membership of the EU and NATO in the event of an independent Scotland, during first minister's question time on 1 November 2012.

Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont attacked the first minister for insisting Scotland would retain the pound if independent, without having spoken to the Bank of England or the treasury about the issue.

Ms Lamont said Mr Salmond asserted an independent Scotland would become a member of the EU without having to apply, although he had not spoken to other member states or sought legal advice.

She added the first minister had said Scotland would not have the Euro despite not asking anyone about it and went on to say, given these assertions, "what will the weather be like in an independent Scotland?"

Mr Salmond hit back saying the secretary of state for Scotland had said there was "no legal bar" to Scotland having sterling as its currency, which would suit the rest of the UK too, who would be "biting our hands off" for Scotland to retain Sterling.

He went on to cite Graham Avery, an Honorary Director General of the European Commission, who has said he believed an independent Scotland would not need to apply for EU membership, as Scots had acquired rights as EU citizens over the past 40 years.

Here's a link to Grant Graham Avery's note

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmfaff/writev/643/m05.htm

And then I came across this:-

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmfaff/uc643-i/uc64301.htm


Who's right? And what is a sterling zone and what are the implications? confused
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #724 on: November 04, 2012, 12:20 AM »
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Sorry, Graham Avery not Grant but I can't edit on this itouch Rolling Eyes
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #725 on: November 04, 2012, 12:29 AM »
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^ You're sounding a bit 'touchy' there, Bev.

(Cor Blimey.. I've been hanging out with Robbit for too long.  doh)
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #726 on: November 04, 2012, 04:58 AM »
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It would seem that I was touching the wrong places too lol  posted the same link for both things doh  Edited now. Very Happy
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #727 on: November 04, 2012, 06:43 PM »
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Quote from: Iluvandy on November 03, 2012, 11:27 PM
No concern about the incompetence of Westminster politicians?
I think we should all be concerned about the incompetence of politicians. I don't believe they do a good job anywhere in the world. They seem on the face of it to be almost entirely interested in their own short term advancement and personal wealth. They took billions of taxes from hard working people and gave them to shameless fat cats. They meddled so much in our education system that it has failed a generation. Personally speaking I cannot see any politician in Britain today doing or saying anything remotely worthwhile.  Look at McShane the great socialist - need I say more?
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #728 on: November 07, 2012, 09:46 AM »
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Taken from Obama's victory speech, I think we should apply the same words, but substitute United Kingdom

I believe we can seize this future together because we are not as divided as our politics suggests. We're not as cynical as the pundits believe. We are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions and we remain more than a collection of red states and blue states (Tories, Labour, Libs, SNP, etc). We are, and forever will be, the United States of America (the UK). (Cheers, applause.)

And together, with your help and God's grace, we will continue our journey forward and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on earth (The UK!!!!!!!). (Cheers, applause.) Thank you, America. (Cheers, applause.) God bless you. God bless these United States. (Cheers, applause.)
GOD BLESS THE UK
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #729 on: November 08, 2012, 07:31 AM »
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Quote from: FCR on November 07, 2012, 09:46 AM
Taken from Obama's victory speech, I think we should apply the same words, but substitute United Kingdom

I believe we can seize this future together because we are not as divided as our politics suggests. We're not as cynical as the pundits believe. We are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions and we remain more than a collection of red states and blue states (Tories, Labour, Libs, SNP, etc). We are, and forever will be, the United States of America (the UK). (Cheers, applause.)

And together, with your help and God's grace, we will continue our journey forward and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on earth (The UK!!!!!!!). (Cheers, applause.) Thank you, America. (Cheers, applause.) God bless you. God bless these United States. (Cheers, applause.)
GOD BLESS THE UK
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #730 on: November 08, 2012, 12:04 PM »
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Now all we have to do is kidnap President Obama!  Wink
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #731 on: November 20, 2012, 04:27 AM »
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*Refusal tby Mr S to come clean about whether an independent Scotland would remin in the EU or not.

*Embarrassment as he had to admit to MSPs that he got the figures for university funding wrong.

*Serious concerns about the fall-out from Holyrood's decision to allow gay marriages (basically fears for the saftey of clergy who are willing to conduct these ceremonies) as well   as to how this might affect how some people will vote in the referendum.

And this is only for starters, with current polls showing that support for independence is already falling away as is support for the SNP in general.

Salmond should give up on the idea voluntarily before he's pushed into doing so.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #732 on: December 01, 2012, 09:21 AM »
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Quote from: Aileen on November 20, 2012, 04:27 AM
Serious concerns about the fall-out from Holyrood's decision to allow gay marriages (basically fears for the saftey of clergy who are willing to conduct these ceremonies) as well   as to how this might affect how some people will vote in the referendum.

Say what? I didn't hear about that....
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #733 on: December 01, 2012, 06:11 PM »
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You wouldn't unless you were able to watch the BBC's Scottish news beause that's where I got this from.  It seems there are fears that ministers who are willing to conduct such marriages could be the victims of homophobic attacks.
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Re: Scottish politics « Reply #734 on: December 02, 2012, 10:15 AM »
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Below is part of an answer regarding state pensions on the YesScotland website. Is it me but isn't it a bit presumptuous with that first remark?

In 2016 you will elect the first independent government for Scotland. Each party will put forward a manifesto, which will include proposals on pensions and the welfare state (just like happens now in UK general elections). Those manifestos could include policies like increasing the state pension or could seek to amend current UK proposals to change the state pension age. You will be able to vote for the party you think has the best proposals for you and for Scotland.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers_to_your_questions_on_pensions_and_an_independent_scotland

Also, would it REALLY be that easy with the pensions? That basically the people receiving them won't notice, that everything would switch smoothly? Think
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