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Question: Should the British Monarchy exist in today's world?
Yes. - 26 (51%)
No. - 25 (49%)
Total Voters: 49

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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #30 on: April 20, 2010, 08:41 PM »
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Yep, I don't know all the arguments for independence but I believe Scotland does pretty well out of being part of the UK.

We couldn't make it on our own, and even if we could I wouldn't want us to. I'm a pro-monarchy, anti-nationalist Scot (and Christian) think I'm in the minority in all 3 cases lol


Mod NoticeThis post was the start of a lengthy discussion on the Royal Family, hence I have moved it from the election thread to here.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #31 on: April 20, 2010, 09:35 PM »
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We couldn't make it on our own, and even if we could I wouldn't want us to. I'm a pro-monarchy, anti-nationalist Scot (and Christian) think I'm in the minority in all 3 cases lol

Why pro-monarchy? The queen doesn't do anything. Why on earth do you think those idiots deserve a free ride?
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #32 on: April 20, 2010, 09:39 PM »
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Why pro-monarchy? The queen doesn't do anything. Why on earth do you think those idiots deserve a free ride?
It's insane.  Just one example of people we are not meant to feel worthy of.  They are actually so outside of real life it's not even funny.  They claim to rule people with whom they cannot possibly have any connection with.  Nuts.  No time for any of them.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #33 on: April 20, 2010, 09:41 PM »
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It's insane.  Just one example of people we are not meant to feel worthy of.  They are actually so outside of real life it's not even funny.  They claim to rule people with whom they cannot possibly have any connection with.  Nuts.  No time for any of them.

The queen doesn't even have any real power now (that she would dare use). The royals are pretty much a tourist attraction.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #34 on: April 20, 2010, 09:43 PM »
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The queen doesn't even have any real power now (that she would dare use). The royals are pretty much a tourist attraction.
But she still has her place.  She had to be asked to dissolve Parliament before the general election.  Technically, Britain is without a Government now.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #35 on: April 20, 2010, 09:45 PM »
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But she still has her place.  She had to be asked to dissolve Parliament before the general election.  Technically, Britain is without a Government now.

That's what I mean. She was asked, but she couldn't say no. She doesn't have any real power. She has to do anything she's asked to do or there would be an uproar. Her role is completely superfluous.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #36 on: April 20, 2010, 09:47 PM »
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Why pro-monarchy? The queen doesn't do anything. Why on earth do you think those idiots deserve a free ride?

In pure numbers the monarchy costs us less than a president would (which would be the obvious alternative) as they have their own money as well
People moan about paying for the royal residences, but since they're state owned we'll pay for them whether we have the royalty or a president.
Yeah lets not have stupid expenses but they're not that bad
I like having the monarchy, maybe it's from being an historian Shrug but personally I like us having the royal family (even if some of them are daft)
They have a place and a job to do in society...how many other 88 year olds do you see putting in the hours and travelling she does? Yeah I know a lot of it's opening things and shaking hands but takes a lot of walking and energy from her.
The monarchy is the figurehead of Britain, and even if we were to replace her them then they would still be head of the Commonwealth.

Remember as well James that Queen Elizabeth and the royal family didn't bugger off out of London when the bombs hit, she helped, she has been in charge through difficult times and always gets landed the most difficult foreign guests/diplomats to deal with.
Where the future of the monarchy lies after Elizabeth II I don't know, however, she is one classy lady who has more dignity and more understanding of duty than most of the rest of us in the country put together.

Also, why shouldn't we have the royalty? Does our wonderful and modern society really have the intelligence and understanding to remove an institution that has been around for so many centuries??
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #37 on: April 20, 2010, 09:49 PM »
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That's what I mean. She was asked, but she couldn't say no. She doesn't have any real power. She has to do anything she's asked to do or there would be an uproar. Her role is completely superfluous.
That's what I mean. She was asked, but she couldn't say no. She doesn't have any real power. She has to do anything she's asked to do or there would be an uproar. Her role is completely superfluous.

Again I'll point out we would still need a figurehead and I'd rather the monarchy than some trumped up politician as a president...who could be pick for that role????
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #38 on: April 20, 2010, 09:50 PM »
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That's what I mean. She was asked, but she couldn't say no. She doesn't have any real power. She has to do anything she's asked to do or there would be an uproar. Her role is completely superfluous.
I agree, James.  But GB is steeped in traditions.  Sucks, big time.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #39 on: April 20, 2010, 09:50 PM »
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Oh and having started this I really am going to bed now...the painkillers have kicked in lol
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #40 on: April 20, 2010, 09:53 PM »
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Again I'll point out we would still need a figurehead and I'd rather the monarchy than some trumped up politician as a president...who could be pick for that role????
Yes, I guess a figurehead is good. But when it comes to the point that they're so out of touch with reality, then they're not much good to man nor beast. They're just there.  Shrug
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #41 on: April 20, 2010, 09:55 PM »
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In pure numbers the monarchy costs us less than a president would (which would be the obvious alternative) as they have their own money as well
People moan about paying for the royal residences, but since they're state owned we'll pay for them whether we have the royalty or a president.
Yeah lets not have stupid expenses but they're not that bad
I like having the monarchy, maybe it's from being an historian Shrug but personally I like us having the royal family (even if some of them are daft)
They have a place and a job to do in society...how many other 88 year olds do you see putting in the hours and travelling she does? Yeah I know a lot of it's opening things and shaking hands but takes a lot of walking and energy from her.
The monarchy is the figurehead of Britain, and even if we were to replace her them then they would still be head of the Commonwealth.

Remember as well James that Queen Elizabeth and the royal family didn't bugger off out of London when the bombs hit, she helped, she has been in charge through difficult times and always gets landed the most difficult foreign guests/diplomats to deal with.
Where the future of the monarchy lies after Elizabeth II I don't know, however, she is one classy lady who has more dignity and more understanding of duty than most of the rest of us in the country put together.

Also, why shouldn't we have the royalty? Does our wonderful and modern society really have the intelligence and understanding to remove an institution that has been around for so many centuries??

She's like a reality tv contestant, except we pay for her. She goes around making public appearances. Who cares what her age is? Her job is superfluous and she shouldn't be getting a free ride. Do you know how many people would take her job if offered it? And it's not just her. It's the rest of them, too.

And of course she stayed when the bombs hit. There's no way she could have got away with just leaving. For a start, it would have been a PR disaster. And the difference between her and a Presdent is that the latter actually serves a purpose and has some real power.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #42 on: April 20, 2010, 09:57 PM »
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Again I'll point out we would still need a figurehead and I'd rather the monarchy than some trumped up politician as a president...who could be pick for that role????

Why do we need a figurehead? Someone like Obama actually has power. The queen cannot do anything, not if she wants to keep getting a free ride.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #43 on: April 20, 2010, 09:57 PM »
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Again I'll point out we would still need a figurehead and I'd rather the monarchy than some trumped up politician as a president...who could be pick for that role????
At least a Politician has studied, and gotten to grips with what he believes in.  He's not just there as an accident of birth.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #44 on: April 20, 2010, 09:59 PM »
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No, any president in a Westminster style government would not serve any purpose more then the queen.
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