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Question: Should the British Monarchy exist in today's world?
Yes. - 26 (51%)
No. - 25 (49%)
Total Voters: 49

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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #45 on: April 20, 2010, 10:00 PM »
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No, any president in a Westminster style government would not serve any purpose more then the queen.

I never said replace her with another figurehead. That would be pointless. The point is that you don't need a figurehead.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #46 on: April 20, 2010, 10:02 PM »
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You do really. Every single country in the world has a head of state. You need someone to represent the country.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #47 on: April 20, 2010, 10:02 PM »
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You do really. Every single country in the world has a head of state. You need someone to represent the country.

Yes, but the person can actually have power, not just travel around making appearances.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #48 on: April 20, 2010, 10:03 PM »
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Ok, but you'd have to change the whole system of government then.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #49 on: April 20, 2010, 10:05 PM »
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Ok, but you'd have to change the whole system of government then.

Wouldn't be the first time that has happened over the course of history. And I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it if it got shot of those leeches.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #50 on: April 20, 2010, 10:08 PM »
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I prefer this system. I like having a prime minister who's a member of, and responsible to, the legislature, in which case it's impossible for him to be head of state too.

What do you have against them anyway?
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #51 on: April 20, 2010, 10:12 PM »
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I never said replace her with another figurehead. That would be pointless. The point is that you don't need a figurehead.
You need someone to lead the country, of that there is no doubt.  Any PM will please some and not others.  As for royalty, they serve little purpose in this day and age.  They've proven time after time that they are no better than you or me.  Prince Philip wants to shut the **** up. Charles married and it went tits up.  I mean what have they above your ordinary people? They were born into a tradition.  They still fall foul of the same pitfalls as the rest of us.  They talk posh, that's all.....
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #52 on: April 20, 2010, 10:13 PM »
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I prefer this system. I like having a prime minister who's a member of, and responsible to, the legislature, in which case it's impossible for him to be head of state too.

What do you have against them anyway?

Other than the fact that we pay for them and that, as Elly put it, their position is an accident of birth? I also dislke the idea that we should revere a family who leeches off of us. It's a bit like me stealing money from you every week and then asking you to kiss my hand for the privilege.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #53 on: April 20, 2010, 10:16 PM »
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You need someone to lead the country, of that there is no doubt.  Any PM will please some and not others.  As for royalty, they serve little purpose in this day and age.  They've proven time after time that they are no better than you or me.  Prince Philip wants to shut the f**k up. Charles married and it went tits up.  I mean what have they above your ordinary people? They were born into a tradition.  They still fall foul of the same pitfalls as the rest of us.  They talk posh, that's all.....

I know that you need someone to lead the country. I said that you don't need a figurehead.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #54 on: April 20, 2010, 10:16 PM »
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We couldn't make it on our own, and even if we could I wouldn't want us to. I'm a pro-monarchy, anti-nationalist Scot (and Christian) think I'm in the minority in all 3 cases lol

I am pro-monarchy, anti-nationalist, but strongly atheist. Wink

My flatmate is extremely nationalistic, and he has still to put to me, a convincing argument that nationalism is the way forward economically. I feel many vote SNP out of pride.

If we were independent, there is no way that the Scottish government could have bailed out RBS, no fecking way.

I am proud to be both Scottish and British, and have a strong sense of identity from both nationalities.

Although on the subject of the royal family, I must make my stance clear that I dislike Prince Charles with an absolute passion, and if he were to ascend to the throne, I would probably be against the monarchy, seems bizarre, but that's the way I feel.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #55 on: April 20, 2010, 10:17 PM »
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I know that you need someone to lead the country. I said that you don't need a figurehead.
Totally.  It's not about paying lip service to those who don't deserve it.  It's about making an educated choice about who you feel is best deserving of your vote.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #56 on: April 20, 2010, 10:18 PM »
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I am pro-monarchy, anti-nationalist, but strongly atheist. Wink

My flatmate is extremely nationalistic, and he has still to put to me, a convincing argument that nationalism is the way forward economically. I feel many vote SNP out of pride.

If we were independent, there is no way that the Scottish government could have bailed out RBS, no fecking way.

I am proud to be both Scottish and British, and have a strong sense of identity from both nationalities.

I don't know enough about the consequences of independence to put forward an educated opinion. I want what's best for Scotland. I'm indifferent towards the rest of Britain.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #57 on: April 20, 2010, 10:19 PM »
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As Hazel mentioned, the cost to the taxpayer is probably lower then a presidency would cost, when you take into account the tourism generated by having an active monarchy.
I don't have anything against them, and if they were lucky enough to be born into it good luck to them. Although, I don't think it's as easy as you make out - you get scrutinised every moment of the day, and have to act a certain way whether you like it or not.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #58 on: April 20, 2010, 10:21 PM »
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I don't know enough about the consequences of independence to put forward an educated opinion. I want what's best for Scotland. I'm indifferent towards the rest of Britain.

At least you are honest about that, James. I can't say I'm qualified either, but it's like atheism vs theism. The nationalists are the one making the leap of faith, the SNP need to quantify their claims.

Salmond keeps repeating this cringeworthy junk. 'Scotland needs champions'.

Seems his ideology is just to scaremonger Scottish people by reminding them of Thatcher.
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Re: The British Monarchy « Reply #59 on: April 20, 2010, 10:22 PM »
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As Hazel mentioned, the cost to the taxpayer is probably lower then a presidency would cost, when you take into account the tourism generated by having an active monarchy.
I don't have anything against them, and if they were lucky enough to be born into it good luck to them. Although, I don't think it's as easy as you make out - you get scrutinised every moment of the day, and have to act a certain way whether you like it or not.

As I said before, I'm not talking about replacing the queen with another figurehead. I'm fine with a cost to the taxpayer if the leader serves a significant purpose and is actually elected, as opposed to being born into affluence at our expense.
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