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Scottish v British Debate

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Yep. In a nutshell: "the cost of independence is largely under the control of the RoUK."
Well if you're the only one apart from myself, then that's disappointing! Since that's the nearest we're likely to get to an intelligent and unbiased view based on a proper study, I thought there'd be more interest! Unless of course, people just don't want to comment....which is of course, their right, but they're probably just to busy watching tennis! Oh....I do largely agree with your comment, but I wouldn't put in 'in a nutshell'! I think there's a bit more to it than that! Wink
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Well if you're the only one apart from myself, then that's disappointing! Since that's the nearest we're likely to get to an intelligent and unbiased view based on a proper study, I thought there'd be more interest! Unless of course, people just don't want to comment....which is of course, their right, but they're probably just to busy watching tennis! Oh....I do largely agree with your comment, but I wouldn't put in 'in a nutshell'! I think there's a bit more to it than that! Wink
   Haven't read the report, but read the Press. Seems like generally good reading for the Indies - £200m start-up costs are utter chickenfeed, especially set against efficiencies of administration. Much of the follow-up costs are predicated on the "hostility" of rUK in negotiations.  Overall Dunleavy sees long-term viability as high, and he completely demolish the Treasury calculations. I am currently more interested in how Cameron's cack-handed handling of the Juncker appointment  will play in the debate.
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  Haven't read the report, but read the Press. Seems like generally good reading for the Indies - £200m start-up costs are utter chickenfeed, especially set against efficiencies of administration. Much of the follow-up costs are predicated on the "hostility" of rUK in negotiations.  Overall Dunleavy sees long-term viability as high, and he completely demolish the Treasury calculations. I am currently more interested in how Cameron's cack-handed handling of the Juncker appointment  will play in the debate.
Exactly Fiverings! The report seems to suggest it's definitely 'doable', which gives me more reason to be glad I don't have a vote!
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Exactly Fiverings! The report seems to suggest it's definitely 'doable', which gives me more reason to be glad I don't have a vote!
   That's a pity, either way. I was under the misapprehension that you did.
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   That's a pity, either way. I was under the misapprehension that you did.
No.....I'm Glaswegian and my family are there, but I live in England, at least for the time being!
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Well if you're the only one apart from myself, then that's disappointing! Since that's the nearest we're likely to get to an intelligent and unbiased view based on a proper study, I thought there'd be more interest! Unless of course, people just don't want to comment....which is of course, their right, but they're probably just to busy watching tennis! Oh....I do largely agree with your comment, but I wouldn't put in 'in a nutshell'! I think there's a bit more to it than that! Wink

I read about it, and responses to it. But I'm not voting either.

Going back to the start of this thread... don't get the need to pigeon hole people, except for legal reasons/passports etc. Lots of friends, relations, neighbours, colleagues are mixes of nationalities - love it!
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   Haven't read the report, but read the Press. Seems like generally good reading for the Indies - £200m start-up costs are utter chickenfeed, especially set against efficiencies of administration. Much of the follow-up costs are predicated on the "hostility" of rUK in negotiations.  Overall Dunleavy sees long-term viability as high, and he completely demolish the Treasury calculations. I am currently more interested in how Cameron's cack-handed handling of the Juncker appointment  will play in the debate.

The press has been a bit misleading in both senses on this. They started off by saying Dunleavy has predicted £200 million, but that was never the full estimate. Dunleavy has actually said anything between £600 million and £1.5 billion is "possible", but he'd lean more toward £600 million if push came to shove.

The truth is, as Dunleavy says himself, it's incredibly difficult to put a concrete figure on it, so a range like the one he's given us is the best you can do. Neither the Yes or No side seem to want to accept that, though, so we have them throwing figures at each other (£200 million on the Yes side, £1.5 billion on the No side) as if they're cast iron certainties, when Dunleavy has never claimed any such thing.
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Of course he can't say for certain Dave, but this is the best and the most truthful informed opinion we're going to get. Also, it's based on a proper study, rather than 'pie in the sky', which is exactly why anyone with an interest in this should read it.
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