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The Labour Leadership « on: September 28, 2010, 07:13 PM »
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So Question: What's everyone's thoughts on the new Labour leader who will lead his 'new generation' of Labour leadership away from all the mistakes made by his predecessors? My money was on David, more solid, more believable and actually looks more like he made it out of prep school Smile However, Ed may do well, we'll have to wait and see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11417906



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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 07:56 PM »
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I can't imagine him being prime minister but while they are not the leading party, I suppose he'll do Smile

I'm surprised David didn't win, he came across as real PM material to me.
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 08:02 PM »
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Yeah well the breakdown showed that he won it because of the unions vote hence 'Red Ed' that's being bandied about. And the party members wanted David. The Times led with the stats from a leaked poll done by the Tories pre-vote stating that more people preferred David to Ed Smile So from the off Ed knows that the Tories see him as a bonus because they were expecting his big brother who they view as more of a threat.
The shame is that David will be stepping back from front-line politics where he really shines and works hard, because by even being on the shadow cabinet then the 'shadow' of the Miliband head-to-head will be used against the decisions Ed's leadership make.

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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 08:28 PM »
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I can't imagine him being prime minister but while they are not the leading party, I suppose he'll do Smile

I'm surprised David didn't win, he came across as real PM material to me.
My son did the whole press release for Ed Milliband's visit here, and didn't rate him.  Said he didn't seem very 'personable' seemed a bit up his own ass, and would have preferred David as leader. Time will tell...  Think
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 08:38 PM »
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Ed will be the next Prime Minister, these planned cuts will make everyone despise the Tories, despite Labour's mistakes playing a part in us being so far up cack alley.
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 08:49 PM »
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Ed will be the next Prime Minister, these planned cuts will make everyone despise the Tories, despite Labour's mistakes playing a part in us being so far up cack alley.
The Tories and Lib Dems are history.... Pretty boy Cameron and I'll side with anyone who gets me in the limelight Clegg have seen to that.  Shame we're all having to suffer through their whole ineptness... Frown
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 08:51 PM »
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I've only been interested in politics since 2005-2006, and I've yet to see a capable government in that time, Labour were just as inept as this coalition supposedly is right now.

Probably the worst time to be voted in as PM, talk about a poisoned chalice.
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 08:58 PM »
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I've only been interested in politics since 2005-2006, and I've yet to see a capable government in that time, Labour were just as inept as this coalition supposedly is right now.

Probably the worst time to be voted in as PM, talk about a poisoned chalice.
I've only been interested in Politics since my son took the time to educate me.  He's a young man and has a social conscience and has yet to be soured.  I don't think there is such a thing as a capable government.  No way anyone is going to please all of the people all of the time...
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 09:00 PM »
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Ed will be the next Prime Minister, these planned cuts will make everyone despise the Tories, despite Labour's mistakes playing a part in us being so far up cack alley.

Yep and a lot of soft-core Tories will probably help him in as he's characteristically and politically a lot like Cameron...a medium leader who will need the backbone of a cabinet ready to be cut-throat.

It's all a cycle. We may never see boom like we did 90's to mid 2000's but we'll pull through years of recession and austerity to a better period, forget the warnings of history (even of a few years previous) and the next generation will start screwing up all over again Shrug

Sounds cynical but probably true. Standing for Truth, Justice and the American British way, means nothing to most politicians or to politics in general. They seek to try and find a way of keeping everyone short of riots and strikes while filling the pockets of themselves and their supporters. Yes in there is goodness and interests to improve, but generally at a price and in exchange something else has to give. We just have to hope that we can ride through it and come out with enough to make sure we can keep a roof over our heads, food on the table and clothes on our back...I'd say that for our generation in the working bracket then that should be the bottom line and above that is bonus.
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #9 on: September 28, 2010, 09:03 PM »
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Yeah well the breakdown showed that he won it because of the unions vote hence 'Red Ed' that's being bandied about. And the party members wanted David.
Ah that makes sense Smile
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 08:06 PM »
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I wasn't sure who I wanted to win more: David because he poses a more direct, electoral threat to the ConDems or Ed because I hope he represents a step away from the smarmy, vacuous, 'centre-ground' politics of Blair/Cameron. Slightly disturbed to see Ed already distancing himself from the unions, actually...

British politics is an embarrassment because the electorate are too complacent and pig ignorant to bother to understand or get involved, and this has led to the whole thing becoming a circus of arsehole, PR-stunting holograms. I hope Labour now grows enough collective balls to take the party back to uh what it's supposed to stand for and to give the bloody ConDems and their crusade of robbing from the poor and giving to the rich a hard time.  ranting
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 12:58 AM »
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David Miliband announces decision to step back from front-line politics to give his brother and the party the best chance of a fresh start. Exactly what we were expecting but his wording is flawless and I can't help but wish that it was the other way round. I think if David had won, Ed could still have been on the shadow cabinet and we'd have had both of them being able to make a strong impact rather than just the one. Oh well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11439511
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 01:51 AM »
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British politics is an embarrassment because the electorate are too complacent and pig ignorant to bother to understand or get involved, and this has led to the whole thing becoming a circus of arsehole, PR-stunting holograms. I hope Labour now grows enough collective balls to take the party back to uh what it's supposed to stand for and to give the bloody ConDems and their crusade of robbing from the poor and giving to the rich a hard time.  ranting
Do you seriously believe that Labour wouldn't also have been forced to implement savage cuts had they been re-elected?  The brutal truth is that these cuts are essential if the economy is to survive.  Something had to give and whichever government had been returned to power that ball would have been firmly at their feet.

Trouble is Labour overspent for years and kept talking about cuts, but these never happened because they feared they'd lose their "popularity" (a joke, that).  If Labour had had the guts to put their proposed cuts into effect years ago, then the country wouldn't be faced with such massive cuts and their resultant hardship now.

David Miliband announces decision to step back from front-line politics to give his brother and the party the best chance of a fresh start. Exactly what we were expecting but his wording is flawless and I can't help but wish that it was the other way round. I think if David had won, Ed could still have been on the shadow cabinet and we'd have had both of them being able to make a strong impact rather than just the one. Oh well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11439511
Even if David had won, I think brotherly love would have been severely compromised, and that would have only created unwanted friction.  It was obvious that they had differences of political opinion.  No wonder their Mum said she wished they'd become academics and not politicians.

By the way, I found this a bit odd -

Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11433642

Just how long does it take to get married, for goodness sake?  A lunchtime quickie in the local Registry Office would have done.  And that Ed apparently didn't have time to put his name on their first child's birth certificate beggars belief.
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 08:03 AM »
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So guys, this is my UK MP - Doncaster North.  Met him at a cricket function about 5 months before we left the UK.  He didn't want us to go but then again, he doens't reply to emails either doh
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Re: The Labour Leadership « Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 06:45 PM »
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Do you seriously believe that Labour wouldn't also have been forced to implement savage cuts had they been re-elected?  The brutal truth is that these cuts are essential if the economy is to survive.  Something had to give and whichever government had been returned to power that ball would have been firmly at their feet.

Trouble is Labour overspent for years and kept talking about cuts, but these never happened because they feared they'd lose their "popularity" (a joke, that).  If Labour had had the guts to put their proposed cuts into effect years ago, then the country wouldn't be faced with such massive cuts and their resultant hardship now.

...I can't see the bit where I said I didn't seriously believe a Labour government would have enacted spending cuts. Please don't get me wrong - I ******* hated 'New' Labour because it was Thatcherism under a new name and a barefaced deriliction of socialism. But if the electorate weren't such a bunch of morons, they'd never have got away with such a swizz.  Whistle I still voted Labour, though, because my MP is old-school and excellent. But I do know that we inherited an economic slump, same as the rest of the world. And the complete free reign of the financial sector to play bloody crazy roulette didn't help, and we all know how the Tories feel about the free market and the private sector. I'm no 'New' Labour apologist; I just ******* hate the Tories and am cautiously optimistic about change in the Labour Party...  nervous
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