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Aileen
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9015 on: Yesterday at 08:28 PM »
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I know!  Whoever it was who said 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely' were bang on the button! It sickens and saddens me that there can be so many truly evil people in the world! Not only 'in' the world, but 'running' and 'governing' the world! People go on about their daily lives, not knowing or 'not wanting to know', while they and their's are being 'used' and 'exploited' like sheep!  shocking Whenever we get a 'good' leader or a decent man who refuses to join and stands against the 'network'.....well, we know what happens there don't we? Then people will say 'Awww.....what a shame!' and maybe even shed a tear, but then they will carry on regardless!  shocking I do realise though, that that may be because they don't know what else to do! Well for a start, they need to stop worrying about innocent lives of pop stars and politicians being ruined! If people 'are' innocent, then they will be 'found innocent'! This is about 'saving and protecting the innocents' after all! We should remember that 'innocent children' are the victims in this! We can't do much for the children of the past, but this is our opportunity to send out a strong message to the beasts who would abuse the children of the 'here and now' and the children of the future! Yes....there may be those who'll come along with their trumped up tales looking for compensation, but is that really a good reason to 'close the door' and leave our children and grandchildren at risk? I don't think so! The guilty 'need to be flushed out' and shown up for what and who they 'really' are and those who 'would be' abusers, need to know they will be caught and punished, because 'we will not stand for it'! We will not tolerate it any longer!!! Probably the only good thing that Jimmy Saville ever done, even if it was inadvertent, was to 'open this particular can of stinking worms'!  Time to get the blinkers off now folks! Time to wake up!
I doubt there's anything I can add to what you've said Caz, because it sums things up pretty nicely.  Also I came across this article in The Guardian of 14 July which backs it up as well -

A child abuse inquiry requires a truth-seeker. Grabbing a grandee isn't enough

So, we have all learned how not to do an inquiry into child abuse in 2014: don't grab a grandee, and especially not one who is a "safe pair of hands". We don't need "safe", we need a serene, scrupulous seeker after truth – the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/child-abuse-inquiry-elizabeth-butler-sloss-cleveland


Incidentally Lady Butler-Sloss herself had the name of a bishop allegedly involved in child abuse withdrawn from her 2011 report into abuse in the Church of England.


 
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9016 on: Yesterday at 10:52 PM »
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Hmm, trial by MW. Been trying to unread some of these posts. It's not working. Time for a break I think.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9017 on: Yesterday at 10:57 PM »
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Hmm, trial by MW. Been trying to unread some of these posts. It's not working. Time for a break I think.

Instead of prosecutors and defendants it will be positive and negative.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9018 on: Today at 12:27 AM »
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I don't see anything that can be called a 'trial' by anyone because the evidence is screaming everyone in the face and has been for years only it's been ignored by those in responsible positions who really would rather not know about it, thank you, rather than launch investigations into these offences, which is why sexual abuse of children has been allowed to run riot with impunity for so long now that it seems to have become almost endemic in this country.  Also so far as Sir Cliff goes, if you read the posts, nobody on here has said he's guilty of the alleged offence.
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9019 on: Today at 10:19 AM »
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I doubt there's anything I can add to what you've said Caz, because it sums things up pretty nicely.  Also I came across this article in The Guardian of 14 July which backs it up as well -

A child abuse inquiry requires a truth-seeker. Grabbing a grandee isn't enough

So, we have all learned how not to do an inquiry into child abuse in 2014: don't grab a grandee, and especially not one who is a "safe pair of hands". We don't need "safe", we need a serene, scrupulous seeker after truth – the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/child-abuse-inquiry-elizabeth-butler-sloss-cleveland


Incidentally Lady Butler-Sloss herself had the name of a bishop allegedly involved in child abuse withdrawn from her 2011 report into abuse in the Church of England.


 
Thanks Aileen! It makes interesting if worrying reading!  Frown
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9020 on: Today at 10:40 AM »
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Hmm, trial by MW. Been trying to unread some of these posts. It's not working. Time for a break I think.
Nobody is 'on trial' here! Did you even bother to read the Butler-Sloss report or the link that Nigel posted with the list of politicians who've already' been found guilty'? In fact....don't even bother to answer that Elena. Just go back to sleep!
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Re: News Thread « Reply #9021 on: Today at 06:15 PM »
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Nobody is 'on trial' here! Did you even bother to read the Butler-Sloss report or the link that Nigel posted with the list of politicians who've already' been found guilty'? In fact....don't even bother to answer that Elena. Just go back to sleep!

Yes, I had a quick look at the list of “politicians” Nigel posted. It has one MP on it, and one general election candidate. Of the other 17 named, most are councillors. There are about 23,000 councillors at any given time in the UK. William Straw gets a mention because of a minor drug offence when he was 17 and somehow the murderer Dennis Nilsen also gets on this list. Hardly the “higher echelons of politics”

Nigel says this list is unarguable –“ it's politicians who HAVE BEEN CONVICTED. It's an unnaturally high number for any profession, leading me to conclude that the House of Commons is nothing more than a Teflon glee club for child offenders”.

You wrote “....and to think we used to be told anyone standing for parliament were thoroughly vetted and had to be squeaky clean!” and then go on about power corrupting and “so many truly evil people” running and governing the world.

Seems a bit of a leap to me –

A few minutes of research shows that the accusations against George Robertson re Thomas Hamilton in the same blog post are completely unfounded. He had already successfully sued the Sunday Herald when this piece was written.

I also looked up Operation Ore and D notices, I didn’t read the links to other conspiracy theory blogs, but did see this from the excellent Tom Watson MP:
“I have been bombarded with questions about the use of D-Notices in relation to a parliamentary question I asked about an historic child abuse case. I wrote to the secretary of the D-Notice committee. The Minister, Mark Francois, has given a comprehensive reply. I hope this puts an end to the large amount of inaccurate speculation made on social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook”

The letter can be read here: http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2013/01/comprehensive-answer-on-the-use-of-d-notices.

I also signed Tom Watson’s petition back in July that lead to the announcement of an inquiry into organised child abuse. The Butler-Sloss appointment was a mistake, and she did the right thing in resigning.

I’m not suggesting for a moment that allegations should not be followed up. But I am sorry that some posters seem so ready to believe some of this stuff, and spread it on an Andy Murray fan site. That’s all I’m saying.


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