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Re: The science thread... « Reply #45 on: March 20, 2009, 10:19 PM »
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Sorry - that was the cat walking across the keyboard... she likes chasing the curser! lol  I meant to say that I always new you were a philosopher at heart
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #46 on: March 20, 2009, 10:22 PM »
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nbgfbh

You seem to be suffering from aphasia. Think
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #47 on: March 20, 2009, 10:26 PM »
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You seem to be suffering from aphasia. Think

Wernicke's aphasia, unfortunately - long streams of unneccesary words with little meaning Frown
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #48 on: March 20, 2009, 10:37 PM »
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Wernicke's aphasia, unfortunately - long streams of unneccesary words with little meaning Frown

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Re: The science thread... « Reply #49 on: March 20, 2009, 10:38 PM »
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So, are you going to have to change to topic of your project or can you do Freud vs Neuropsychology too?  How about Jung vs Quantitative psychometrics...
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #50 on: March 20, 2009, 10:40 PM »
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So, are you going to have to change to topic of your project or can you do Freud vs Neuropsychology too?  How about Jung vs Quantitative psychometrics...

No, I'm definitely doing it. It was my idea, so I'm not going to drop it because someone has decided to rip me off.

Qualitative psychometrics? Frown
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #51 on: March 20, 2009, 10:45 PM »
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No, I'm definitely doing it. It was my idea, so I'm not going to drop it because someone has decided to rip me off.

Qualitative psychometrics? Frown

Good man - stick to your guns...  Quantitative psychometrics - it's what those b*stards in HR departments use to decide if you are suitable to join their company.  I hate those tests no  I always seem to get rejected by them, I don't know why?? retard
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #52 on: March 20, 2009, 10:46 PM »
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Good man - stick to your guns...  Quantitative psychometrics - it's what those b*stards in HR departments use to decide if you are suitable to join their company.  I hate those tests no  I always seem to get rejected by them, I don't know why?? retard

Give me an example of what would be on the test?
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #53 on: March 20, 2009, 11:02 PM »
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They normally comprise aptitude and personality tests, so you get a series of numerical and verbal understanding tests, then a couple of personality tests  which I guess are ultimately based on Myers-Briggs or something similar.

Numerical tests are pretty straightforward - they require you to answer questions based on tables of figures etc.

Verbal tests are normally based on a paragraph of text like:

 “Many organisations find it beneficial to employ students over the summer. Permanent staff often wish to take their own holidays over this period. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for companies to experience peak workloads in the summer and so require extra staff. Summer employment also attracts students who may return as well qualified recruits to an organisation when they have completed their education. Ensuring that the students learn as much as possible about the organisation encourages interest in working on a permanent basis. Organisations pay students on a fixed rate without the usual entitlement to paid holidays or sick leave.”

And then a series of statements which you have to decide if they are true, false or it is impossible to say based only on the paragraph above:

Statement 1 - It is possible that permanent staff who are on holiday can have their work carried out by students.

Statement 2 – Students in summer employment are given the same paid holiday benefit as permanent staff.

Statement 3 – Students are subject to the organisation’s standard disciplinary and grievance procedures.

Personality tests list statements you have to agree/disagree with on a scale of 1-5, or you have four statements and have to say which one is most like you and which is least like you...  The tricky thing is that normally you look at the statements and they are either all like you or none of them are like you - or they imply a negative trait but you still have to say one of them is like you.

Examples:

I enjoy meeting new people:  Agree completely, Agree slightly, Neither agree nor disagree, Disagree slightly etc
               
I like helping people
                  
I sometimes make mistakes

The motivation tests are roughly the same, but deal with motivation:  i.e. Haveing a new member of staff to train motivates me: alot, slightly, not at all etc

The most important thing about the tests is they produce numerical data, which one of Satan's minions will crunch and then put a tick or a cross by your name depending on whether you fit in the right box.  I decided a few years back that I would simply never work for a company who thought that psychometric testing was a good way of evaluating people - what does that say about my personality??

Loads of info on these tests on graduate websites like Prospects and on http://www.shldirect.com/ (The examples above come from the second link).
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #54 on: March 20, 2009, 11:06 PM »
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Jeez, that sounds hopelessly unreliable. Seriously, that's the sort of test you get on OKCupid.com.

I don't think you can define a person based on a questionnaire, least of all a multiple choice one. Presumably you don't get to elaborate on your answers?
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #55 on: March 20, 2009, 11:14 PM »
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Jeez, that sounds hopelessly unreliable. Seriously, that's the sort of test you get on OKCupid.com.

I don't think you can define a person based on a questionnaire, least of all a multiple choice one. Presumably you don't get to elaborate on your answers?

Absolutely...  Well, of course the OKcupid tests are basically varients of Myers-Briggs type tests anyway, which all stem from Jung - the idea of opposing traits (introversion/extraversion etc) which combine to define personality archetypes.  It is interesting, and I know people who swear by Myers-Briggs as a broad brush approach to personality profiling, but as ever it doesn't capture the complexity of real life.

I think I've mentioned the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson to you before - you really should read them.  The science fiction aspect (colonisation of Mars) is irrelevent - it is basically an exploration of the establishing of a new society, how advances in technology affect it. how climate changes on earth and mars are dealt with etc...  One of the main characters is a psychologist so there is lots of stuff in there about that (lots of geology too Very Happy) - there is even a load of stuff about non-fluent aphasia when one of the characters gets brain damaged...  You would love them!
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #56 on: April 06, 2009, 04:48 PM »
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Very good article in the Guardian about the way that bad scientific research (or completely even non-scientific research) tends to make headlines at the expense of good, interesting work by genuine researchers...  I would strongly recommend that anyone who has ever been shocked and appalled by headlines like, "Less than 25% of teenagers know what Auschwitz was used for," gives it a look!
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #57 on: April 06, 2009, 04:52 PM »
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Very good article in the Guardian about the way that bad scientific research (or completely even non-scientific research) tends to make headlines at the expense of good, interesting work by genuine researchers...  I would strongly recommend that anyone who has ever been shocked and appalled by headlines like, "Less than 25% of teenagers know what Auschwitz was used for," gives it a look!
Surely the majority of intelligent people are not sucked in by this kind of sensationalist nonsense? 
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #58 on: April 06, 2009, 10:22 PM »
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Surely the majority of intelligent people are not sucked in by this kind of sensationalist nonsense? 

Unfortunately the intelligent people are in the minority....  Rolling Eyes
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Re: The science thread... « Reply #59 on: June 16, 2009, 08:52 PM »
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Interesting article on the BBC for science geeks - the Andes might have disappeared in 20-30 million years...  Darn it - I was planning a hiking trip! grr

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8096827.stm

The Andes were formed 120 million years ago; but in geological terms, this giant of South America is more like a teenager going through growth problems.
A new study by a group of Argentine researchers suggests that the largest mountain chain on the American continent is not as quiet as it seems.
According to Folguera Andres and Victor Ramos, geologists in the Faculty of Natural Sciences at the University of Buenos Aires (UBA), some mountains are losing altitude.
"We found that parts of the Andes are undergoing a cycle of collapse which started some 6 million years ago," says Mr Andres.
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