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Re: War Stories « Reply #165 on: January 14, 2011, 10:22 PM »
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^Dont....that probably is in the second part of Buhweet,s story.
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Re: War Stories « Reply #166 on: January 14, 2011, 11:05 PM »
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^Dont....that probably is in the second part of Buhweet,s story.
T'aint that far off!!
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Re: War Stories « Reply #167 on: January 15, 2011, 05:51 PM »
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‘Mike-O’ Roussel was the stereotypical Louisiana Coonass. Not your brightest blub on the Xmas tree, but basically a pretty good guy …..if he liked you! Before he liked me…in the 4th grade, I had just changed schools. The new guy, I was the youngest in the class, the last birthday in December. Mike had failed a year and was the biggest guy in the class. He picked on me mercilessly until finally one day I’d had enough and we had this big knock down drag out fight, with both of us bloodied and bruised. But the next day at school was like it never happened and from then on we were friends. Much later, after the Marines, I learned from my Dad that our grand-mothers were sisters!

Seen the movie Forest Gump? If so, everyone knows who Lt. Dan is? He was the crazy Lt. that Forest rescued in Nam after his legs were blown away. They moved to Louisiana and stared the Bubba-Gump Shrimp Company business. Well, Miko was the Lt. Dan strapped to the mast of the boat in the hurricane! Except he was always like that!! And with legs. Fanatical racist, the son of sugar cane farmer…generations of sugar cane farmers, better suited with a gun in swamps than anyone I ever knew. I learned to shoot with him. A great natural shot, from the hip and didn’t need to aim down the barrel. 

In boot camp, the DI’s took and instant dislike to Miko. Because the Gunny was black and Mike-O had never taken orders from a black man, there was instant tension. At first, he would answer them back, but that only made things worst for him. They constantly rode him. Every night, they would call him into the “Shack” and beat the living hell out of him trying to crack his spirit. One of the things they would do was put their thumbs on your eyes and apply pressure. You thought your eyeballs would pop! Another favorite was to give you a back handed karate chop to the Adam’s apple. But Miko was a hard man to crack and he never gave up or submitted to their torture. They just made him insane!!!! I found out his eye sight was bad, probably why they squashed his eyes so much. At close range he was a good shot, but at long distances he could not see. The day before the final day at the rifle range they beat him so bad, both the whites of his eyes were bloody red. On the obstacle course, at meals, every minute of every day they picked on him, so by the time we got out of Boot camp he was a completely different guy. Where before he was tall and lanky, he now had weight and muscles and boy was he a mean *******! Because he wasn’t too bright his MOS was driving trucks. They sent him directly to Nam and I never saw him again. But another school friend, Dean, who went over at the same time in the RECON, told me a few stories. Miko made Sergeant, then was busted to private for fighting, promoted to PFC, busted down again and put in the brigg for nearly killing his Staff Sergeant, who was black! He once took on three guys in a bar for saying something he didn’t like and put one guy in the hospital. Spent some more time in the brigg. He finally got out the Marines as a private, after spending nearly 16 months in Nam, most of it in the brigg. When he got home, he bought a shrimp boat and opened a seafood market which his mom ran for him. (This was long before the movie!!!)He spends most of his time hunting in the swamps and fishing the Gulf of Mexico for shrimp. He once punched through a windshield, dragged a guy out of his car and nearly beat him to death for insulting his wife. Now also owns a restaurant in Grand Point, Lousisana.

If any of you get around the area, tell him hello for me!!!
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Re: War Stories « Reply #168 on: January 15, 2011, 05:59 PM »
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I mean ... does Boot Camp serve any purpose other than to de-humanise the GIs?

Re the "colour" problem ... was their still segregation in the South on buses/restaurants/drinking fountains etc at the time all this was going on?  And on that theme, I used to play racquet ball with a cute black guy called Henry - Henry was a double E and a really great guy.  One day I gave him a playful pat - he just hit a great shot - he acted like I'd stuck him with a cattle prod ... I never did it again.  Awful.
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Re: War Stories « Reply #169 on: January 16, 2011, 11:56 AM »
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If i do happen to find myself in his Restaurant....i aint gonna complain about anything. lol
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Re: War Stories « Reply #170 on: January 16, 2011, 01:02 PM »
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If i do happen to find myself in his Restaurant....i aint gonna complain about anything. lol
Yeah, when you get flies in your soup you ask him, "How DOES!! he gets them so tender??!!!!
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Re: War Stories « Reply #171 on: January 17, 2011, 02:48 AM »
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I may have missed it if you already told us, but did you ever get bullied when you were in the Marines, either physically or mentally - like, was there someone who was always putting you down?

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Re: War Stories « Reply #172 on: January 17, 2011, 07:54 AM »
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I may have missed it if you already told us, but did you ever get bullied when you were in the Marines, either physically or mentally - like, was there someone who was always putting you down?


Yeah, three Drill Instructors!!!!!
But I was lucky. The meanest one seemed to like me, that didn't mean he didn't beat me, but at least he only beat me for "major" infractions. (Like diverting your eyes to the left or right during "attention".)
There was a book by some one, It was "King Rat" about a Chinese or Vietnamese guy who took care of everything for somebody in a war. I never read it but I saw it everywhere about that time.
Well, the guys who took care of cleaning the DIs office and doing the administrative work for them were the "Mice". The guy they put in charge of the "Mice" (3 of them)was the "King Rat."
I had that "privilage"! Which meant if the Mice didn't do exactly what they wanted, I got beat for it! I also had to go get their coffee and carry the thermos, which they could not live without, around with me. It was treated as the Holy Grail, really! No one else could even touch it for fear of death!! Whenever they wanted coffee, I had to run!!! as fast as I could to the messhall and fill the thermos and bring it back, no mattter what we were doing, or where. God help me if I took longer than they thought it should take or if it was cold! I swear they had it timed!!! No matter where on the base we were, they knew exactly how long it took.
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Re: War Stories « Reply #173 on: January 18, 2011, 12:58 AM »
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^ Sorry, just been catching up with some of the earlier posts and you do describe a pretty horrific personal experience.

From your description of what happened to you and Miko, I guess they weren't too fussy which part of the body they went for, and that a lot depended on how much they liked or disliked you.  Presumably some of them were sadistic enough to use whips.

But tell me, if you got beaten up so badly you needed medical treatment, how did the medics react - or did they ask no questions?
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Re: War Stories « Reply #174 on: January 18, 2011, 07:55 AM »
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^ Sorry, just been catching up with some of the earlier posts and you do describe a pretty horrific personal experience.

From your description of what happened to you and Miko, I guess they weren't too fussy which part of the body they went for, and that a lot depended on how much they liked or disliked you.  Presumably some of them were sadistic enough to use whips.

But tell me, if you got beaten up so badly you needed medical treatment, how did the medics react - or did they ask no questions?
No they focused on a few soft tissue areas where brusing would be minimal...in case there was an investigation, and there were some, they always claim ignorance. "Who me?" "He must've fallen down." The idea was to break the ones unfit, not to actually maim you, the psychological aspect was the worst. No whips, nothing to leave any marks!
Besides the medical people were in on it as well, if you went to the doctor too much they would charge you with "Malingering"!! They kinda had you!!
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Re: War Stories « Reply #175 on: January 18, 2011, 08:09 AM »
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Sounds like bit of a nightmare.  It's bullying at its very worst, really.

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Re: War Stories « Reply #176 on: February 06, 2011, 10:03 PM »
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I just got an email from and old friend....one of the high school boys who went in the Corps with me. He told me the names of the 2 DI's I could not remember and now that he told me how could I have forgotten! SSgt. Adams and Sgt. Carr. He said he would scan some of the photos of us in boot camp and send them across.....He said he just got his first disablity check for exposure to Agent Orange!!! He only gets 60% disablity though and is appealing for the other 40%. As a ReCon Marine, it was Dean's job to go out into the bush and locate the enemy, which usually was days and weeks in the jungle literally waiting for the VC to shoot at them so they could spot their positions. They were frequently doused with Agent Orange to knock out some of the vegetation so they could bring in the fire support and wipe out the enemy they found.
I was called the "King Rat" and Dean was "Rat Face Roussel" because Miko and Tim were all "Roussels" and first cousins. I have a "real" war story which Dean has reminded me of to recount later.....
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Re: War Stories « Reply #177 on: February 06, 2011, 10:18 PM »
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I mean ... does Boot Camp serve any purpose other than to de-humanise the GIs?


I meant to answer this from you before....I was a MARINE!! GI's were "Doggies" (ARMY) scum!!! Navy were "Swabbies" or Squids. and the Air Force were the Country Club!!
And yes the sole purpose was to dehumanize you and desensitized you for what was coming. You were taught NOT to think, just to "do" without question!!!
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Re: War Stories « Reply #178 on: February 07, 2011, 08:34 AM »
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I meant to answer this from you before....I was a MARINE!! GI's were "Doggies" (ARMY) scum!!! Navy were "Swabbies" or Squids. and the Air Force were the Country Club!!
And yes the sole purpose was to dehumanize you and desensitized you for what was coming. You were taught NOT to think, just to "do" without question!!!

I just can't deal with the whole war machine and the high cost in human misery - I just have to blank it out - head in sand stuff.

Re the Air Force - I've heard one or two war stories in that connection i.e. how they always set up the Club and the PX before they get down to anything really serious  lol  They do have wonderful PX's ...
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Re: War Stories « Reply #179 on: February 07, 2011, 08:37 AM »
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I just got an email from and old friend....one of the high school boys who went in the Corps with me. He told me the names of the 2 DI's I could not remember and now that he told me how could I have forgotten! SSgt. Adams and Sgt. Carr. He said he would scan some of the photos of us in boot camp and send them across.....He said he just got his first disablity check for exposure to Agent Orange!!! He only gets 60% disablity though and is appealing for the other 40%. As a ReCon Marine, it was Dean's job to go out into the bush and locate the enemy, which usually was days and weeks in the jungle literally waiting for the VC to shoot at them so they could spot their positions. They were frequently doused with Agent Orange to knock out some of the vegetation so they could bring in the fire support and wipe out the enemy they found.
I was called the "King Rat" and Dean was "Rat Face Roussel" because Miko and Tim were all "Roussels" and first cousins. I have a "real" war story which Dean has reminded me of to recount later.....

If he sends you the pic maybe you can post it ... Buhweet with a "high and tight" ...  Smile  (following info is for anyone not familiar with the the term).


Definition: The Marine Corps standards of grooming requires that hair be be evenly graduated from zero length at the hairline with no outline or edging. Hair may not be over three inches in length or be styled in a manner that any hair protrudes from the scalp more than two inches. Hair must be styled so it does not protrude beneath properly worn headgear in an unsightly manner.
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