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Re: Who created us? « Reply #180 on: May 18, 2008, 04:07 PM »
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I didn't say that transitionals were assumptions. I used that word as part of my paleontological example. To me, there's a big gap between finding an animal that shares the characteristics of two other animals, and saying that there's a macroevolutional pattern to be found. You can't just say that Apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes. Which apes are we talking about here?


The great apes, such as gorillas.  Here's a link:

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html

Here's an article on speciation:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Here's one on transitions:

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html:

This one in particular should answer most of your questions:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #181 on: May 18, 2008, 04:12 PM »
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So speciation has occured in recent enough history to be proven? I'd like an example...
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #182 on: May 18, 2008, 04:15 PM »
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So speciation has occured in recent enough history to be proven? I'd like an example...


Check the link.  It has the information you're looking for.  There's no point in me typing it out if you can just click on the link and read the page.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #183 on: May 18, 2008, 04:22 PM »
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Here's another good page you should read:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#proof
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #184 on: May 18, 2008, 04:33 PM »
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Glad you removed that post, AL, as it does not say God created us.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #185 on: May 18, 2008, 04:33 PM »
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Hmmm... Riddle me this batman, why would the number of chromosomes in a flower change? Think of it this way, in what cases do humans have differing numbers of chromosomes?
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #186 on: May 18, 2008, 04:34 PM »
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But it does not say that God does not exist, but that is off topic.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #187 on: May 18, 2008, 04:37 PM »
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But it does not say that God does not exist, but that is off topic.


I didn't say that evolution disproves God.  It disproves the creation story, if you take it literally.  That's all I said.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #188 on: May 18, 2008, 04:41 PM »
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Hmmm... Riddle me this batman, why would the number of chromosomes in a flower change? Think of it this way, in what cases do humans have differing numbers of chromosomes?


I'm not sure I get your question.

All humans have 23 pairs.  I can't really answer the first part, as it's not my area.  I'd have to read into it, although I don't see the relevance anyway.  What point are you trying to make?

Did you read those pages?
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #189 on: May 18, 2008, 04:46 PM »
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But it does not say that God does not exist, but that is off topic.


By the way, it's impossible to prove God does not exist.  That is not a point in favour of belief, however.  I can't disprove fairies, but that also is not a point that favours their existence.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #190 on: May 18, 2008, 04:47 PM »
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I didn't say that evolution disproves God.  It disproves the creation story, if you take it literally.  That's all I said.


And going by my religions guidance on the subject, God created me.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #191 on: May 18, 2008, 04:48 PM »
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And going by my religions guidance on the subject, God created me.


You said you accept evolution, though.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #192 on: May 18, 2008, 04:56 PM »
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Yes I accept evolution as does my religion, their guidance is that it is not a literal interpretation.

A literal interpretation of who created us would be our parents.

As have said earlier many christian faiths have no problem with evolution and there is no conflict with there teachings.

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Re: Who created us? « Reply #193 on: May 18, 2008, 04:56 PM »
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I'm not sure I get your question.

All humans have 23 pairs.  I can't really answer the first part, as it's not my area.  I'd have to read into it, although I don't see the relevance anyway.  What point are you trying to make?

Did you read those pages?


I read the pages. What causes a human to have different numbers of chromosomes? Mutation. If all the people with Downs Syndrome began mating with one another, would that not constitute a new species by nature of the difference in chromosomes? Just because a plant accidentally doubled its chromosomes and began to reproduce doesn't mean it evolved.
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Re: Who created us? « Reply #194 on: May 18, 2008, 05:01 PM »
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I read the pages. What causes a human to have different numbers of chromosomes? Mutation. If all the people with Downs Syndrome began mating with one another, would that not constitute a new species by nature of the difference in chromosomes? Just because a plant accidentally doubled its chromosomes and began to reproduce doesn't mean it evolved.


No, that would not change the number of chromosomes.  Humans ALL have 23 pairs.  The great apes have 24.  It has been observed that 2 pairs fused together.

I'm really not sure why you think people with downs syndrome mating would cause such a drastic mutation.  If there are less than 23 pairs, they wouldn't be human.
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