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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1380 on: November 24, 2012, 08:58 AM »
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As I think I said earlier - I just don't get it.  If the article I read is correct then it would appear that his manager (rather amusingly a Mr Godsick) is the one who's pushing for the extra lolly whilst Roger is very upset that he can no longer participate in Basel.  If it means that much to him why doesn't he tell Mr G to stuff it?


Godsick? Oh that is priceless!
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1381 on: November 27, 2012, 04:12 PM »
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I guess we are coming to this subject from different angles, Emma..and I agree with you about making "..a stand when a wrong is done to the ones we love."

As you know, I have a son.
You have never shared with any of us here if you are a parent, or have any experience with having "someone bullying your kid at school" as you say.

My main problem is with the word "hate/hatred."

I still don't see any reason for this term to be acceptable when it comes down to someone we do not know personally.

You are making a very big generalization when you imply that one has to be a parent in order to understand what a bully is like. People are being bullied in every walk of life be it at school, at home, at work, at the market, on the phone basically everywhere. So the parenting doesn’t come with the total authorization as to how one experiences what on a daily basis. In short, everyone is a victim, that is, if you look at it that way, one time or another; therefore, they do have the experience either first hand or in a roundabout way.

Another broad generalization you are making when you say that someone needs to know someone personally in order to love that person. Nothing could be further from the truth. You can’t limit love to personal interaction only. It can happen in any form or shape in life. For instance, I am perfectly capable of loving someone else’s child just as my own; I am also perfectly capable of loving someone I have yet to meet. Andy, let’s say in the case. Just because I have yet to meet him doesn’t mean I can’t or don’t love him. If it’s true that I can’t possibly love or hate him because I don’t know him personally, then whatever I feel for him is also untrue, but I don’t feel that way. I feel quite the opposite. You are simply undermining love and limiting it to a tiny relationship called personal interactions. Now that I have established the fact that I truly love Andy and care about him, I can safely say that if anything wrong is done to him, I will react to it in which case I did and so did some others. All my feelings are justified in short. Heck, I would even feel for a person and a great deal, if a wrong is done to him/her even if I have no prior knowledge of this person. A wrong is wrong in the end.

How many people have actually met with Jesus in their lifetime? None other than those who were close to him around that time, but you won’t see any shortage of love from people who were born hundreds and hundreds of years after Jesus came and left. And these people will react and sometimes violently so, if someone says something hateful or negative about him.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1382 on: November 27, 2012, 04:24 PM »
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^ Sure.. fine.. whatever.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1383 on: November 27, 2012, 04:40 PM »
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  How very true - Carnegie accrued his millions on the backs of the labouring poor then couldn't give it away fast enough. It wasn't the money he was afraid of losing, it was something else entirely.  He left us a great legacy, but part of the price was paid by the Pittsburgh steel workers.

I have always wondered if Federer truly feels all the money he has is enough. He does have a lavish lifestyle and he’ll be retiring fairly early since tennis career is rather short compared to other professional careers. I don’t know if Mirka does anything in her spare time to earn money, so Federer seems to be the sole earner in this family with 3 people to support – 2 of them yet to grow up. I know a lot of NFL and NBA players go broke after their career. So perhaps he’s just trying be cautious and wants to make as much money as possible while he can.

Sampras used to live in a huge house but two years ago, he sold that property and moved in to a much a smaller house. That’s also when most of his trophies got stolen as he temporarily put them in storage bank while he was in between moves. That was a very sad incident.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1384 on: November 28, 2012, 02:40 AM »
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I have always wondered if Federer truly feels all the money he has is enough. He does have a lavish lifestyle and he’ll be retiring fairly early since tennis career is rather short compared to other professional careers. I don’t know if Mirka does anything in her spare time to earn money, so Federer seems to be the sole earner in this family with 3 people to support – 2 of them yet to grow up. I know a lot of NFL and NBA players go broke after their career. So perhaps he’s just trying be cautious and wants to make as much money as possible while he can.

Sampras used to live in a huge house but two years ago, he sold that property and moved in to a much a smaller house. That’s also when most of his trophies got stolen as he temporarily put them in storage bank while he was in between moves. That was a very sad incident.

If Fed's that worried - and I really don't see how he can be worried with all the money and other assets that he has - then, if he does indeed have a lavish lifestyle, he should pull in his belt a little.  However I don't think he does have that sort of lifestyle, if you mean in the sense that he chucks his money around on enjoying the high life, because I get the impression that he's quite a home-loving person.  Anyway I'm sure he'll continue to rake in the money for a while after he retires because the Federer name will still sell.

Re Sampras - I'm convinced that was an inside job, and one which was done to order, not a random theft as was reported at the time.  Aftere all weren't there security guards on duty, any one of whom would have known who Sampras was and exactly where the trophies were stored?  It seemed pretty pointless anyway because the trophies would have been of no value to anyone, unless they were a deranged Sampras fan who wanted them for himself.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1385 on: November 28, 2012, 03:12 AM »
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.. It seemed pretty pointless anyway because the trophies would have been of no value to anyone, unless they were a deranged Sampras fan who wanted them for himself.

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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1386 on: November 28, 2012, 05:58 PM »
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If Fed's that worried - and I really don't see how he can be worried with all the money and other assets that he has - then, if he does indeed have a lavish lifestyle, he should pull in his belt a little.  However I don't think he does have that sort of lifestyle, if you mean in the sense that he chucks his money around on enjoying the high life, because I get the impression that he's quite a home-loving person.  Anyway I'm sure he'll continue to rake in the money for a while after he retires because the Federer name will still sell.

Re Sampras - I'm convinced that was an inside job, and one which was done to order, not a random theft as was reported at the time.  Aftere all weren't there security guards on duty, any one of whom would have known who Sampras was and exactly where the trophies were stored?  It seemed pretty pointless anyway because the trophies would have been of no value to anyone, unless they were a deranged Sampras fan who wanted them for himself.


I am not saying Federer is worried but that he might be worried thinking about the future. If Federer retires at 35, then he'll be retiring 30 years early than normal regular people. On top of that, people’s lifespan is longer these days and he’s in good health, so he may live longer than a lot of people. He has 3 people to feed and 2 daughters to raise. I am sure he’ll be keen on sending them to private school and that’s a huge cost right there. He has a huge house which probably cost him a lot just to maintain it. In the future, he’s likely to spend more money than earn it, so whatever money he has, it won’t last long. Since he’s the main earner in the family, he’ll think about these things. As I’ve mentioned before, many athletes go broke after they retire. I am not sure how much his name will sell in the future. The celebrity status doesn’t seem to last too long these days.

As to Sampras, we all kind of speculated that this was an inside job because no one other than those storage people knew what Sampras was going to keep in the storage room. The trophies will be a great value to those who tend to collect these sorts of things, otherwise there’s no point stealing them either, but I think they will wait for a while before they sell them to anyone. They took his scrap book as well – something his old coach Tim and his brother put together when Sampras was growing up and making name for himself everywhere and it had a few letters as well (one from Bush in particular), so he was more upset about that, but it was returned in a nearby park a few days later.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1387 on: November 28, 2012, 08:48 PM »
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Emma..??!! lol
Shhh  Very Happy



I am not saying Federer is worried but that he might be worried thinking about the future. If Federer retires at 35, then he'll be retiring 30 years early than normal regular people. On top of that, people’s lifespan is longer these days and he’s in good health, so he may live longer than a lot of people. He has 3 people to feed and 2 daughters to raise. I am sure he’ll be keen on sending them to private school and that’s a huge cost right there. He has a huge house which probably cost him a lot just to maintain it. In the future, he’s likely to spend more money than earn it, so whatever money he has, it won’t last long. Since he’s the main earner in the family, he’ll think about these things. As I’ve mentioned before, many athletes go broke after they retire. I am not sure how much his name will sell in the future. The celebrity status doesn’t seem to last too long these days.

As to Sampras, we all kind of speculated that this was an inside job because no one other than those storage people knew what Sampras was going to keep in the storage room. The trophies will be a great value to those who tend to collect these sorts of things, otherwise there’s no point stealing them either, but I think they will wait for a while before they sell them to anyone. They took his scrap book as well – something his old coach Tim and his brother put together when Sampras was growing up and making name for himself everywhere and it had a few letters as well (one from Bush in particular), so he was more upset about that, but it was returned in a nearby park a few days later.

Fed's about to rake in just under £5m (approx 7.5m Swiss francs) for playing six exhibition matches in S. America - http://www.perfect-tennis.co.uk/federers-exhibition-matches-in-south-america/ - and he could go on playing some of these after he retires, depending on how old he is when that happens.

As for Sampras, I was very glad for him when I heard that he at least got the scrap-book back.  Maybe those who carried out the crime decided, out of the kindness of their hearts, to leave him with something Rolling Eyes as I'd have thought that this would have been of great interest to a collector of memorabilia.  I still believe the trophies were probably stolen to order following a tip-off by storage staff.  As I assume they would have Sampras's name on them, how could they have been sold on?  Mind you, I'm not niave and there's undoubtedly a black market out there for these collectors.

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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1388 on: November 28, 2012, 08:49 PM »
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I am not saying Federer is worried but that he might be worried thinking about the future. If Federer retires at 35, then he'll be retiring 30 years early than normal regular people. On top of that, people’s lifespan is longer these days and he’s in good health, so he may live longer than a lot of people. He has 3 people to feed and 2 daughters to raise. I am sure he’ll be keen on sending them to private school and that’s a huge cost right there. He has a huge house which probably cost him a lot just to maintain it. In the future, he’s likely to spend more money than earn it, so whatever money he has, it won’t last long. Since he’s the main earner in the family, he’ll think about these things. As I’ve mentioned before, many athletes go broke after they retire. I am not sure how much his name will sell in the future. The celebrity status doesn’t seem to last too long these days.

As to Sampras, we all kind of speculated that this was an inside job because no one other than those storage people knew what Sampras was going to keep in the storage room. The trophies will be a great value to those who tend to collect these sorts of things, otherwise there’s no point stealing them either, but I think they will wait for a while before they sell them to anyone. They took his scrap book as well – something his old coach Tim and his brother put together when Sampras was growing up and making name for himself everywhere and it had a few letters as well (one from Bush in particular), so he was more upset about that, but it was returned in a nearby park a few days later.


You think he's concerned by such trivial things with upwards of $150,000,000 in the bank? He'll live off the interest alone!
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1389 on: November 28, 2012, 08:51 PM »
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I can't see that he'll have a problem feeding his family!
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1390 on: November 28, 2012, 08:52 PM »
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I can't see that he'll have a problem feeding his family!

Indeed, what hope is there for the rest of us otherwise?!
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1391 on: December 04, 2012, 12:00 AM »
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This article seems to fit the thread - from the "New Statesman" - but it's more general, about fans' needs for players to be up on a pedestal. In other words, the fans play a role in the perception of players/sports idols, etc:

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Why must our sporting idols be nice?
Desire to place the highly successful on a pedestal does no one any favours.
BY CAMERON SHARPE

I was at the O2 last week to witness one of the great spectacles in sport as Roger Federer dismantled Janko Tipsarevic in little over an hour, barely breaking sweat in the process.

What struck me however, apart from the incredible beauty of the 31-year-old’s game, was the sheer noise that accompanied his every move. Had someone told me that I had somehow lost myself in the arena’s vast upper tier for four weeks and emerged during one of The Rolling Stones’ sold out gigs at the end of the month I wouldn’t have doubted them.

I have watched Federer play in this country a number of times now and each time I do I am amazed at the incredible level of popularity that follows the Swiss everywhere he goes. As Andy Murray found out at Wimbledon on in July and again on Sunday night, patriotic fervour has nothing on Federer’s universal charm.

Elite sportsmen attracting widespread adoration is hardly groundbreaking or newsworthy, but the almost cult like following that Federer enjoys verges on the unnerving.

I have lost count of the amount of people who, like characters from the Gillian Cross novel The Demon Headmaster, have trotted out the same lines about how classy the Swiss is, both on and off the court- the words “humble” and “great” following not far behind.

I would, from a pure sportsmanship perspective, severely dispute this assertion but what is it about players, be it in single or team events that fans care so desperately as to whether or not they are nice human beings?  

It seems that we want to feel that despite all of the scarcely unbelievable successes our heroes enjoy, at the end of the day when they take off their boots and throw down their kitbag they are just like you or me.

In fact, the more successful they are, the more desperately this emotional link is sought after.

When Tiger Woods burst onto the golf scene at the 1997 Masters, romping to his first major win at the age of 21, the story was of a charming college graduate with an unbreakable bond with his father Earl. When Lance Armstrong won the first of his seven tainted Tour de France titles, many journalists were prepared to ignore the doubts surrounding the legitimacy of his victory and chose to focus on the medical miracle. It was if they too needed to believe in something perfectly accessible.

If we revisit Federer for a moment, I am not for a moment comparing his conduct to that of Woods or Armstrong but I cannot be alone, for example, in noticing his crass speech after winning the Wimbledon title in 2009.

The victorious Federer, a then six time winner of tennis’ most prized trophy, tried to pretend, or honestly believed, that he knew how Roddick, a three time runner up, was feeling. The American’s bewildered facial expression said it all.

As Roddick began to come to terms with the fact that he had won the most service games ever captured in a Wimbledon final only to come up short again, Federer unfurled a new wardrobe already emblazoned with details of his most recent triumph.

Later in the year, as he let a two sets to one lead slip against Juan Martin del Potro, Federer was involved in a flashpoint with umpire Jake Garner and was fined for swearing in an exchange with the official.

His tears at the 2009 Australian Open - what now must be seen as a shamefully self pitying gesture in response to losing three consecutive major finals to Rafael Nadal. If there were "first world" tennis problems, Federer had them.

Yet despite all of this, the Swiss was still handed the ATP’s "Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award" for the year. The yarn of nicety was one too good to stop spinning.  

Andrew Castle often notes that Federer had a fiery temper as a teenage junior as he struggled at times to mould his incredible talent into a world conquering force. “What changed?” the former British number one often muses.

Well, winning of course. It is not difficult to be gracious in victory and, more often than not, Federer has his ATP brand friendly platitudes mastered perfectly. The BBC even used the clipped quotes from a victorious Federer to justify their assertion that Andy Murray would one day win a major title of his own.

But look deeper. When losing his biggest matches and in career defining defeats Federer has lacked all of the class that supposedly sets him apart as a human being.  That evidence is everywhere.

The reality Federer is no better or worse than the vast majority of players on tour, he just wins more than most. He breaks equipment and swears on microphone just like everyone else, however, because of his supreme level of performance across a decade, there are many who are desperate to set their man on a pedestal in order that they can identify with their idol.
The logic seems to be that if they can label him an all conquering everyman and hero, his remarkable string of achievements become easier to understand and digest.

It is the same emotion that compels many to begin writing Federer’s sporting obituary as if, at 31, he has spent 13 sedentary years since turning 18 mixing hit and giggle tennis with a rock and roll lifestyle. This desire to understand works both for and against the 17 time major champion.

Once a trust has been lost, as Woods and Armstrong have found in recent times, it is lost forever, but whilst an illusion of niceness and level headedness remains, fans will defend their heroes to the hilt.

It is for these reasons that I have always found figures like undefeated American boxer Floyd Mayweather the perfect antidote to this desire for niceness. His flaws as a human being, of which there are many, are such that no commentator would ever accuse him of being a crowd favourite but the 34-year-old is a phenomenal talent who knows how to put on a good show.

He invites Justin Bieber to guest star amongst his entourage and, at a time when the ATP try and encourage their combatants to talk respectfully about wealth and privilege to make them more accessible to the average fan, Mayweather takes his laptop around his $10m house to show off his array of supercars and female companions to US soldiers posted in Iraq.  

This may not be classy behaviour but it ensures that we enjoy Mayweather for his ability alone and do not get caught up in linking sporting wealth to moral fibre or personal likeability. After the wealthiest fighter in the history of the sport beat Miguel Cotto earlier this year to protect his perfect record as a professional, he spent 87 days in prison for battery. The lines between professional perfection and personal fallibility could not have been more starkly drawn.

Closer to home, the freedom afforded football figures like Ashley Cole, Wayne Rooney and Luis Suarez after being written off as morally bankrupt at various stages of their careers, has  actually been beneficial. After all, it is hard enough being a world class sportsman without having to be everyone’s favourite personality too.

It is busting this compulsion to box our idols into a more accessible category that takes a massive weight off the shoulders of the athletically gifted and allows them to focus on what we love them for most.

Perhaps Roger Federer should shun his moral compass for the 2013 season and alienate some of his loyal fans with an ill-advised outburst. He might just relish the freedom.  
 
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1392 on: December 04, 2012, 10:15 AM »
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Interesting read Janet.  Thanks for posting.

Love that someone else has picked up on Wimbledon 2009.  Such a shocking display from the champion naughty  

Perhaps we should set up a list of what Fed says and what he actually means.

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"I have been around the block a few times and that was something. You can't tire of nights like this.

That is why I keep practising in front of no people, it inspires you to keep working hard."

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I play in private, where you can't see me for free so you have to pay the big bucks to see me playing on court.  That's the only way to see me play and the tournament organisers can pay higher appearance fees.  Whistle
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1393 on: December 04, 2012, 11:31 AM »
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Thanks for that Janet - interesting article.
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Re: Emperor Federer and the naked truth « Reply #1394 on: December 04, 2012, 12:07 PM »
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That's a good read Janet, thanks for the post.

The thing is, I suppose there is always a danger that any person in the public eye will be adored in the way Federer is. As I've said before, I'm a big fan of Sir Cliff Richard, have been all my life, and nothing anyone says will ever change me, so in a sense I get the admiration side of things.

However, what gets me is that Federer's fans seem to hold him up as not only a 'perfect' player, but also a perfect human being, who never says a word out of place and is always polite and charming to everyone, including officials and opponents. Are they on the same planet as everyone else? I've lost count of the number of times I've heard Federer speak to umpires like dirt, and his dealings with opponents beggars belief sometimes. I would understand if his admirers said they didn't care, that none of that matters to them, but that isn't the case. Instead, they have this blind spot when it comes to him, that he is perfect and charming, all that, whilst they turn round and bleat about the apparent flaws of his opponents. It's the blatant hypocrisy that annoys me.
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