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Posted on: July 08, 2013, 02:08 AM
Posted by: wimbledonwestie
Oh jesus christ this is not going out in a newspaper or news website, nor is it an English exam. Cut the lad some flak.
Quite! Easy to read what something should say, not what it does - that's why pros have someone else proof read.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 08:18 PM
Posted by: Aileen
You'll have to let him off on that one - community columns comes under the oversight of the News Team due to how much outside exposure these articles get once published.

I actually skipped the official process of getting news team to check and approve the submission because Gangsta submitted it last minute. So I asked Nigel who was reluctant to edit it at all, to simply check for mistakes.
Fair enough, but he edited more than just mistakes - as I see Gangsta has pointed out.

Anyway after this afternoon's win I'm in a mood to forgive anyone anything (well, almost!). Very Happy


Columns are such a rare thing, we haven't really discussed the process internally. So this will be have to be a learning process.

You do have to remember though that these articles get automatically distributed on our social media channels and Google News, and therefore reputation is a factor. So if we reduce editing, perhaps the chances of an article being rejected go up.
Thanks.  I didn't realise that Mark.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 11:12 AM
Posted by: Mark
Columns are such a rare thing, we haven't really discussed the process internally. So this will be have to be a learning process.

You do have to remember though that these articles get automatically distributed on our social media channels and Google News, and therefore reputation is a factor. So if we reduce editing, perhaps the chances of an article being rejected go up.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 11:05 AM
Posted by: Connor
So this is an edited version?

I would have liked to read the actual piece though.

So would we, but I couldn't stop them, as I never was informed it was getting edited.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 11:01 AM
Posted by: Sabine
So this is an edited version?

I would have liked to read the actual piece though.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 10:50 AM
Posted by: Connor
You'll have to let him off on that one - community columns comes under the oversight of the News Team due to how much outside exposure these articles get once published.

I actually skipped the official process of getting news team to check and approve the submission because Gangsta submitted it last minute. So I asked Nigel who was reluctant to edit it at all, to simply check for mistakes rather than improve it.


He has changed pretty big parts of it though, especially in the lower parts of the article, I appreciate the fixing of the punctuation errors, but do you mind if you can tell them that is all they need to do, and leave the wording (unless there is a big error for example the first line had one with a bit missed out) as it is?
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 10:47 AM
Posted by: Mark
Also why have you seen fit to edit the article?  Did you ask Connor's permission?
You'll have to let him off on that one - community columns comes under the oversight of the News Team due to how much outside exposure these articles get once published.

I actually skipped the official process of getting news team to check and approve the submission because Gangsta submitted it last minute. So I asked Nigel who was reluctant to edit it at all, to simply check for mistakes.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 10:39 AM
Posted by: Sabine

Andy’s family may also prove to be a vital component to the 77-year codebreaker for a first British man to win the Wimbledon crown since Fred Perry in 1936. His girlfriend, daughter of Ana Ivanovic’s coach, Nigel Sears, his mother, a martyr in his life, and his father, William, will all be there to support him. It is unknown if his brother and sometime doubles partner Jamie will be attending, but whoever is present in Murray’s box will be sure to make their voices heard over the rowdy crowd. His tragedy-struck hometown of Dunblane in Scotland will also be watching on in amazement, wondering what the US Open champion will bring to the party.

Whatever happens, Andy Murray will feel right at home.

I like this part. A lot. Smile

Nice one, Gangsta. My english is not great so I can't really comment about yours.
I quite liked the column. hug
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 03:12 AM
Posted by: Aileen
You've kind of got a way with words, but also you haven't. On the face of it, it's shockingly bad. But some passages contain some nice, unexpected twists. In general, though, please find something else you're good at. Just being cruel to be kind, mate.
Nigel - what exactly do you expect from a 16 year old laddie?  The article certainly isn't 'shockingly bad', and it seems you're the only person who thinks so.  Surely the rest of us can't be wrong with our honest opinions?  Also, as Mark has pointed out, this is a community forum, so therefore works of high quality literature are not expected.  It's how a person genuinely feels about something that counts.

Also why have you seen fit to edit the article?  Did you ask Connor's permission?  It doesn't exactly offer much encouragement to him or other members to submit articles if they know that you, or anyone else, is going to edit them just because they don't happen to agree with their style of writing or the way they've worded things - and in this connection I seriously question your altering 'whatever the US Open champion will pull out of his repertoire' to 'bring to the party', because that doesn't make much sense to me.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 01:22 AM
Posted by: Connor
Bit of an over-reaction to some honest constructive criticism (which GM actually asked for).

and which I have accepted, even though it was minor.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 01:20 AM
Posted by: TheMadHatter
He's 16 you clown.  Very glad I didn't have a teacher like you.
Bit of an over-reaction to some honest constructive criticism (which GM actually asked for).
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 01:13 AM
Posted by: Connor
If you are a part of that industry, and you write articles etc. you're bound to see the article as a professional piece, and not as one that a 16 year old boy has written in anticipation for one of the greatest finals of the year. That doesn't get to me though.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 01:11 AM
Posted by: 33jsmith
I liked the article,just read it,you can tell its from the heart and thats what  counts.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 01:00 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Well I like it! When you write, which I have from time to time, the eye can be tricked into seeing what you think you have written, not what you actually have written. It can lead to spelling errors, poor punctuation and so on. The trick is to be brave enough to ask someone else to look over your writing, but that is surprisingly tough.
TJ, I have a friend who's written a few articles - fact though, not fiction - and I always get to read the drafts over.  I once worked for three years as an editorial assistant, during which time I did a lot of proof-reading, so I find it quite easy.  What I didn't find so easy at the beginning was pointing out errors or things which didn't sound quite right - like I would turn a sentence or a paragraph around to make it more grammatically correct or less clumsy.  It's tough too having to do this, and there have been a few ruffled feathers and soothing of brows along the way, but in the end it's always been worth it for both of us.


It's important to remember this is a 'community' column and therefore having journalistic skills is not required. It's just intended for members with respectable English to air their opinion in article format.
Hopefully that will encourage other people to write columns.  I might even consider doing one myself at some point.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:47 AM
Posted by: iamabritt
People say some horrible things to people in my position, who have taken risks and tried something new. Then when the pressure is on them to write one even better than the one they dissed, they do worse. I'm happy that a few found it a good read.
Good for you Connor,hone you skills and don't let the critics put you off.Good luck with other pieces
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:45 AM
Posted by: Mark
Yes, I'm glad that you did publish mine too.
Well, you know what they say, beggars can't be choosers...

I kid Wink
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:43 AM
Posted by: Connor
It's important to remember this is a 'community' column and therefore having journalistic skills is not required. It's just intended for members with respectable English to air their opinion in article format.

The fact we have so few submissions probably adds unfair focus on those that get published.

Yes, I'm glad that you did publish mine too.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:43 AM
Posted by: Connor
You asked for an honest opinion and people gave it. So don't complain when you get criticism. There's some merit in your writing, but you'll need to work at it hard to make it sound professional.

I'm not complaining about the criticism, I'm complaining about how picky people can be about the article.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:39 AM
Posted by: Mark
It's important to remember this is a 'community' column and therefore having journalistic skills is not required. It's just intended for members with respectable English to air their opinion in article format.

The fact we have so few submissions probably adds unfair focus on those that get published.
Posted on: July 07, 2013, 12:39 AM
Posted by: Grabcopy
People say some horrible things to people in my position, who have taken risks and tried something new. Then when the pressure is on then to write one even better than the one they dissed, they do worse. I'm happy that a few found it a good read.

You asked for an honest opinion and people gave it. So don't complain when you get criticism. There's some merit in your writing, but you'll need to work at it hard to make it sound professional.