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 11 
 on: Today at 01:49 AM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by Bevc
Wow, there's enough bitterness in this thread to spoil a thousand tons of honey.

Meanwhile, Jim Sillars is refusing to admit defeat. 38% is not a mandate, Jim.

Alex Salmond saying pretty much the same thing.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-we-don-t-need-referendum-for-independence-1-3548270

Wow, some of the comments out there, from both sides, are truly blink

Really bringing Scotland together (re comments) no though hopefully this is just a minority out there.

And I wonder, if the result had gone the other way, what comments we would have heard?  Think




 12 
 on: Today at 12:22 AM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by invisibleman18
Well yeah, the people voted for proportional to remain in place.

 13 
 on: Today at 12:18 AM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by Joe
This is obviously a very emotive topic that's difficult to be objective about, particularly for those directly involved. I apologise if any of my comments upset anyone, that wasn't the intention. I just disagreed with one comment and felt the actual results of the vote backed me up. But I'll leave that discussion for now. The vote is done and how many people voted for what matters very little anymore, all that counts as that remaining in the Union won the vote.

Funny it's the opposite here. We have a proportional representation system and at the 2010 general election there was a referendum on the system with a few alternatives and proportional was kept. I voted for FPTP as I liked the idea of the person who gets the most votes being the winner.

So if there are 4 candidates and one wins by getting 35% of the vote while the other three share the remaining 65% between them, the winning candidate is truly representative of the constituency? Surely it's better to say, for instance, that for every 10% of the vote won, you get an MP. FPTP can leave an awful lot of people unrepresented.

 14 
 on: Today at 12:16 AM 
Started by eira_arian - Last post by invisibleman18
Yeah it's a proportional system here which is why several minor parties can get MPs. There are the two major parties - National (Conservative) and Labour who win the bulk of the seats (there are 120), but because of the system several minor parties can win anywhere up to 10 seats and often join a coalition with the major party. You get 2 votes - 1 for your constituency (or electorate as they call it here) MP and 1 for a party - so people often vote for an MP from one of the major parties, but give their party vote to one of the minor parties to get those views into Parliament. So what results is a few minor parties not having any electorate MPs but still getting enough of the party vote to get several "List MPs" into Parliament. The list being their candidates ranked in order and depending on their percentage of the party vote, they can get a number of them in.

I posted this in the Scotland thread, but at the 2011 election we also had a referendum on the system with a few options presented but proportional won the vote and remained. I voted for FPTP as I liked the idea that the person who gets the most votes wins.

 15 
 on: Today at 12:14 AM 
Started by scot-boy - Last post by Aileen
Thanks Fiverings - in spite of all the vitriol, bile etc., that this particular paper published which fortunately I didn't read, I just loved this article. It said everything I felt and whoever the journalist is, I hope he still has a job.
hug  I'm sure he has sengamac.  I did read some of the other Telegraph bile and if anyone should be sacked it's the authors of those articles!  Really enjoyed this article, so thanks for posting, although I don't agree with the subtitle because, as the abuse started after Andy's tweet, which was in the early hours of Thursday morning, it was much too late for it to influence anyone, especially as a lot of the spite against Andy had largely disappeared prior to this.

 16 
 on: Today at 12:11 AM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by Joe
And the Church of England should be disestablished while we're at it.

Amen to that (no pun intended).

 17 
 on: Today at 12:09 AM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by invisibleman18
This is obviously a very emotive topic that's difficult to be objective about, particularly for those directly involved. I apologise if any of my comments upset anyone, that wasn't the intention. I just disagreed with one comment and felt the actual results of the vote backed me up. But I'll leave that discussion for now. The vote is done and how many people voted for what matters very little anymore, all that counts as that remaining in the Union won the vote.

A thought: It's a shame that nobody really gave a **** when the proportional representation (aka. alternative vote) referendum happened a few years back. Not one single constituency in the entire UK came close to voting in favour.

Funny it's the opposite here. We have a proportional representation system and at the 2011 general election there was a referendum on the system with a few alternatives and proportional was kept. I voted for FPTP as I liked the idea of the person who gets the most votes being the winner.

 18 
 on: Yesterday at 11:46 PM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by Fiverings
The electorate didn't grasp the significance and the media/No parties were happy to steer them the way they wanted. It pisses me off that a population can be so disengaged that these things are allowed to pass, then moan later that FPTP and Westminster are rotten.
  So true. All part of the democratic deficit that Scotland's referendum has yet again found wanting. Along with the House of Lords.  We should have a house of community activists, and they wouldn't all need to travel to London and sit in an expensive club. They could do it all on-line. And the Church of England should be disestablished while we're at it.

 19 
 on: Yesterday at 11:35 PM 
Started by Masaka - Last post by Joe
 I agree totally. Clegg was totally left to swing with that. A bloody disgrace. It would go along way to engaging the electorate to make their votes more effective.

The electorate didn't grasp the significance and the media/No parties were happy to steer them the way they wanted. It pisses me off that a population can be so disengaged that these things are allowed to pass, then moan later that FPTP and Westminster are rotten.

 20 
 on: Yesterday at 11:34 PM 
Started by Mark - Last post by iamabritt
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