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Andy Murray vs Jurgen Melzer, Wednesday, Estimated time - 12:45pm BST - Discuss the match
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 on: Today at 02:42 PM 
Started by Aileen - Last post by Caz
Great.....Thanks Angie! Andy in 2!

 32 
 on: Today at 02:07 PM 
Started by Aileen - Last post by angiebabez
Andy 2nd on Agora tomorrow. About 2pm UK time.

 33 
 on: Today at 01:53 PM 
Started by laundry - Last post by Iluvandy
GRANDEES  (-AR + ES)

 34 
 on: Today at 01:30 PM 
Started by angiebabez - Last post by amongsttheleaves
Sparkle read it again!  The question was the confusion about ATP ranking and the Race. We agreed that the race maximum added was 410. In the ATP Valencia will replace Basel and go with his two 250 wins to be added to eight 1000's and 4 slam results so he gets everything he scores added there. Likewise in Paris.
Yes, but for the annual rankings, he is still only allowed a maximum of 6 'other tournaments'.

If he didn't play in Valencia, he'd gain 90 points from Rotterdam anyway.  So in practical terms, he's got the 90 points from Rotterdam already, but will need to do better to get the benefit of playing in Valencia.

He'll get all of the points from Paris, because it's a mandatory tournament.

I think you are both saying the same thing and arriving at the same conclusions but going by a different route.

This week Andy's official ATP ranking breakdown lists as his 6 500/250 countable tournaments: Acapulco, Beijing, Davis Cup, Basel 2013, Shenzhen and Vienna. For the time being Vienna has replaced Rotterdam. From the 27th October the 0 points from Basel 2013 will be dropped and depending on how he does this week either Rotterdam or Valencia will be added.

What I think Sparkle is saying is that for Valencia to ultimately replace the 90 from Rotterdam then Andy needs to go one stage better in Valenica. At the moment Rotterdam is a non-countable tournament which could go back into the mix from next Monday. If Andy gains 90 points in Valencia it doesn't matter which tournament replaces the 0 points from Basel 2013 because 90 points is 90 points. Obviously we, and I am sure Andy as well, would like him to go further this week and build upon the momentum from Vienna.

At the end of the day once Basel is dropped Andy will be able to add all the points from whatever tournament is higher point wise from Rotterdam or Valencia for his official ATP rankings.

For the race he does need to do better than Rotterdam to gain points, that means semis or further.

 35 
 on: Today at 01:18 PM 
Started by angiebabez - Last post by Grabcopy
Don't think we can rely on Seppi to put out Ferrer - he's won one set in eight encounters.

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 on: Today at 01:15 PM 
Started by angiebabez - Last post by marathonarthur
Yes, but for the annual rankings, he is still only allowed a maximum of 6 'other tournaments'.

If he didn't play in Valencia, he'd gain 90 points from Rotterdam anyway.  So in practical terms, he's got the 90 points from Rotterdam already, but will need to do better to get the benefit of playing in Valencia.

He'll get all of the points from Paris, because it's a mandatory tournament.

Agreed but you are making it far too complicated for most people. If he won Valencia his Race total goes up 410 and his ATP ranking up 500. Simple? As you confirm his points score for Paris will be added to both rankings.

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 on: Today at 12:49 PM 
Started by laundry - Last post by benniebone
ARRANGED    [-ED  +AR

 38 
 on: Today at 12:45 PM 
Started by angiebabez - Last post by *Sparkle*
Yes, but for the annual rankings, he is still only allowed a maximum of 6 'other tournaments'.

If he didn't play in Valencia, he'd gain 90 points from Rotterdam anyway.  So in practical terms, he's got the 90 points from Rotterdam already, but will need to do better to get the benefit of playing in Valencia.

He'll get all of the points from Paris, because it's a mandatory tournament.

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 on: Today at 12:38 PM 
Started by angiebabez - Last post by marathonarthur
Except he can only count his top 6 non slam/Masters results, so he's back in the same situation.  He'd displace Rotterdam points (I think).

Sparkle read it again!  The question was the confusion about ATP ranking and the Race. We agreed that the race maximum added was 410. In the ATP Valencia will replace Basel and go with his two 250 wins to be added to eight 1000's and 4 slam results so he gets everything he scores added there. Likewise in Paris.

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 on: Today at 12:18 PM 
Started by davidB - Last post by benniebone
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