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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #60 on: August 07, 2010, 08:19 PM »
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I sincerely hope that whoever comes in will gain enough of Andy respect to bring out the tennis genius in him, a right balance between defence and attack. To help Andy stay in control of points, and improve his transitional play from baseline to the net to finish points off at appropriate moments. 
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #61 on: August 07, 2010, 08:48 PM »
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^ Fed dispensed with a coach for quite a long time, having had Peter Lundgren to guide him through his early career, instead relying only on the occasional advice from Tony Roche.  He's now woken up to the fact that he can no longer go it alone, but I'd imagine that Fed will listen and take on board.

Tim Henman used to watch videos of his matches, good and bad, in the hope of learning from them.  I wonder if Andy does the same?  I've certainly never heard him mention it.

Unfortunately, what concerns me about Andy is that his stubborn reputation is well known in coaching circles, and for that reason alone may find it difficult to find a full-time coach.
I'm sure Andy said in an interview quite recently that he doesn't watch his own matches.  I agree with you that this could be beneficial.  I also share your fears that his reputation for stubborness could put off good coaches.   But as Andy has also said recently that his game hasn't advanced, perhaps he will realise now that he does need to listen.
On a related matter they said on Sky that Miles M will be in the studio for the Washington final tomorrow, which should be interesting.
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #62 on: August 07, 2010, 10:09 PM »
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I'm sure Andy said in an interview quite recently that he doesn't watch his own matches.  I agree with you that this could be beneficial.  I also share your fears that his reputation for stubborness could put off good coaches.   But as Andy has also said recently that his game hasn't advanced, perhaps he will realise now that he does need to listen.
On a related matter they said on Sky that Miles M will be in the studio for the Washington final tomorrow, which should be interesting.
I hope he gets a coach, full or part-time, who firmly suggest that it might be a good thing for him to do so.  I'm sure if he watched some of the great matches he played en route to winning 14 titles and becoming world No.2 - and they're all there in the archives on the ATP's tennistv.com website - and reflects on some of his matches this year, then I can't believe he won't sit up and take notice, unless he's in some sort of denial.  How can sports-people learn if they don't watch, and analyse, their performances? Meanwhile I'm optimistic that he's now mature enough, and desperate enough to win a GS, to start taking advice on board.pray

Don't have Sky, just have to watch online, where you don't get any match analysis or post-match interviews Frown.  Wonder if he'd have agreed to turn up if Andy had made the final? Think
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #63 on: August 07, 2010, 11:15 PM »
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I sincerely hope that whoever comes in will gain enough of Andy respect to bring out the tennis genius in him, a right balance between defence and attack. To help Andy stay in control of points, and improve his transitional play from baseline to the net to finish points off at appropriate moments. 

Whoever he gets Murray should abandon attempts at developing topspin forehand. Trying to get his body out of the way of the stroke, vital to racquet acceleration , is costing him dear this season.
He simply cannot do it. As to why this is I'm unsure though there's been talk of lower back problems, and his knees.
One quality Murray had in his game he has abandoned - his flat forehand.Useless on clay but it won him 12 tournaments on grass and hardcourts. Murray runs around a tennis court like a pepperami with arms, upright like a pencil. He's an arm player with a wonderful touch and feel and an accuracy that set him apart from the rest. All gone with this awful halfway house forehand he's ended up with
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #64 on: August 07, 2010, 11:27 PM »
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Hmmm.... good point.  Top spin forehand is what clay players like to use on clay court like Nadal's top spin FH to minimise the chance of the ball going in the net.  I am guessing that this is probably Corretja's contribution ???  This stroke should be useful on clay when well executed but is too slow on hard court.
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #65 on: August 08, 2010, 12:54 AM »
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^ Not much up in the technicalities, but if Andy is playing a stroke which is suited to clay courts but not to any other surface, and is thereby ruining his game on hard or grass courts, then it has to seriously beg the question why keeping Corretja around for other than the c/c season makes any sense, yet if we are to believe rumours, Corretja might still remain part of his team all year round. Think

Whoever he gets Murray should abandon attempts at developing topspin forehand. Trying to get his body out of the way of the stroke, vital to racquet acceleration , is costing him dear this season.
He simply cannot do it. As to why this is I'm unsure though there's been talk of lower back problems, and his knees.
One quality Murray had in his game he has abandoned - his flat forehand.Useless on clay but it won him 12 tournaments on grass and hardcourts. Murray runs around a tennis court like a pepperami with arms, upright like a pencil. He's an arm player with a wonderful touch and feel and an accuracy that set him apart from the rest. All gone with this awful halfway house forehand he's ended up with
Welcome to MW, rob h.   Really like the description of Andy as "a pepperami with arms". lol  However, from my understanding, the only problem with Andy's knees is his right bipartite patella, which can cause tendinitis in the tendon behind his kneecap.  Unfortunately, he really can do nothing about this except manage the condition carefully, which I'm sure is what his physio is doing.  Haven't heard anything about back problems, though, other than the  stiffness he claims is related to a change of surface.
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #66 on: August 08, 2010, 12:41 PM »
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I hope he gets a coach, full or part-time, who firmly suggest that it might be a good thing for him to do so.  I'm sure if he watched some of the great matches he played en route to winning 14 titles and becoming world No.2 - and they're all there in the archives on the ATP's tennistv.com website - and reflects on some of his matches this year, then I can't believe he won't sit up and take notice, unless he's in some sort of denial.  How can sports-people learn if they don't watch, and analyse, their performances? Meanwhile I'm optimistic that he's now mature enough, and desperate enough to win a GS, to start taking advice on board.pray

Don't have Sky, just have to watch online, where you don't get any match analysis or post-match interviews Frown.  Wonder if he'd have agreed to turn up if Andy had made the final? Think
  Yes it does feel like a bit of a privilege having Sky.  I only got it when I finally went digital (because C4 wouldn't show final series of West Wing on terrestial!) and the reception is so bad where I live that I couldn't have freeview.  So I opted for Sky and realised if I had Sky Sports could watch more tennis than on the BBC and it opened up this whole world of masters etc that I wasn't even really aware of before I got it.
Absolutely agree re watching his matches Aileen.  Abit confused by your last point as Andy wasn't in this tournament? confused
Interesting points about his forehand and worrying if he has adapted it to clay court play under the influence of AC.  The sooner he gets another coach who can take him back to where he was on that score the better.
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #67 on: August 08, 2010, 02:13 PM »
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Here's a article from BBC:

Andy Murray in no rush to appoint new coach
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #68 on: August 08, 2010, 03:40 PM »
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A bit confused by your last point as Andy wasn't in this tournament? confused
poster_oops Such memory lapses are what my cousin calls "having a senior moment". doh

Thanks for that Hannah. Smile

So at least we know that Corretja is with him as far as the USO, but more importantly, that Andy is actively, although it seems with some reluctance, considering apppointing a coach who will teach him to pay more aggressively.  At least that's a start.   It would be very interesting to know who the offers of coaching have come from.






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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #69 on: August 08, 2010, 03:57 PM »
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John Newcombe:  Andy Murray must find belief [Express, 8 August]

Andy Murray will only win a Grand Slam title if he beats the demons of self-doubt, says Wimbledon legend John Newcombe.  Former world No1 Newcombe, who won three Wimbledon titles, believes Murray has the game to trouble the best but is being held back by a lack of self-belief.

Newcombe said: “Murray has got to get his game to another level if he’s going to win Grand Slam tournaments.  His biggest problem is that he withdraws instead of attacking when the pressure is on during big points in big matches.  We saw that in the Wimbledon semi-final when he lost in straight sets to Rafael Nadal because he was too quick to go on the defensive.

“The other issue for Andy is that his first serve percentage is not high enough.  He’s got to reduce his body movement and his swing in the manner of the world’s best golfers.”

Newcombe feels British No1 Murray made the wrong decision to appoint Miles Maclagan as his coach for the past three years before their post-Wimbledon split.

“Andy can win a Grand Slam tournament if he can find his self-belief and a new coach,” he said.  "He needs a coach to fine-tune his serve and his mental approach because there isn’t anything hugely wrong with other aspects of his game.  Andy has become too timid against Federer and Nadal"

The final Grand Slam of the season, the US Open, starts in three weeks’ time at Flushing Meadows, and Newcombe is confident of a good showing from Murray

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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #70 on: August 09, 2010, 08:53 AM »
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poster_oops Such memory lapses are what my cousin calls "having a senior moment". doh

Don't worry Aileen - I have them all the time!  Eg finding it increasingly difficult to remember how to spell all the players' names. Smile
 






 
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #71 on: August 13, 2010, 11:59 PM »
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Just looking through some old Andy stuff.  Does this have a familiar ring to it? -

"We had a great run together but we've had a difference of opinion regarding some aspects of my game," said Murray.

"I've not thought about my next coach and will take time to find one who can help develop the next stages of my tennis. We are not in a hurry."


Andy upon sacking Mark Petchey in April 2006, and we know who he chose next.  Hopefully he's now got the maturity and experience to get it right this time.
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #72 on: August 14, 2010, 03:16 PM »
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Choose his Mum lol

Now this could be a big irony.  Whilst coachless, there will be little or no pressure on Andy to win.  If Andy plays really well with his Mum's scouting and astute advice to win USO whilst coachless then it could open the floodgate for other GSs to come.  The coaches will line up to apply.  lol

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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #73 on: August 16, 2010, 10:54 PM »
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Now that Andy has won his 5th MS in such an eye catching style,  coaches must be lining up at his door knocking  lol
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Re: Cahill ruled out as potential Murray coach « Reply #74 on: August 17, 2010, 12:04 AM »
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Choose his Mum lol

Now this could be a big irony.  Whilst coachless, there will be little or no pressure on Andy to win.  If Andy plays really well with his Mum's scouting and astute advice to win USO whilst coachless then it could open the floodgate for other GSs to come.  The coaches will line up to apply.  lol
Trouble is his Mum's a very busy lady with her own tennis duties, which include coaching youngsters, and also I understand Corretja is to be on hand at the USO - that is, if Andy still wants him there now.  He's had a taste of independence and it seemed to be working in Toronto.

He's also discovered that it'll help him conserve energy and thereby improve his game if he directs his feelings into his shots rather than disaplying them openly after each shot.  He said he tried to do this in Toronto and felt quite calm on court, and that certainly came across against N & F.  Don't know if somebody has had a word with him here but it's long overdue.  Let's hope it continues.

Also I'm delighted that he proved John Newcombe wrong in his article (above).  I'd say Andy has found his self-belief, and as for being "too timid against Federer and Nadal", well, I realise GSs are a whole way different from Masters, but to my mind Andy is well on the way to rediscovering his old form, with just a few tweaks needed from the right coach, who will surely help him improve his serve.  It doesn't have to be "Pistol Pete" but improving its accuracy and consistency would be good.
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