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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #75 on: August 17, 2012, 11:19 AM »
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I just don't care that Andy lost this.
Sacrificing a tournament he has won twice before, one that your main competitors are in and should hopefully tire themselves in the final with. Is a bonus.
I agree the masters are significant but dropping out of this one after the summer Andy has had will reap benefits. There will be plenty of other occasions to win masters, right now it is urgent that Andy breaks his slam duck.
As for Ferrer catching up with Andy, how may i ask is that even possible over the hardcourt and Indoor season? He wont get even close and Rafa is out to so he can still progress in the rankings.
Letting go of Cincinnatti was a good decision & a risk worth taking that will pay benefits come the US Open, where we need him to be at his very best. Coming in after a win in Toronto or cincy has affected his performance at the open before, he's said as much.
I honestly doubt that Novak will defend his title and Roger has had his fun.
Its Andy time now.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #76 on: August 17, 2012, 11:42 AM »
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I just don't care that Andy lost this.
Sacrificing a tournament he has won twice before, one that your main competitors are in and should hopefully tire themselves in the final with. Is a bonus.
I agree the masters are significant but dropping out of this one after the summer Andy has had will reap benefits. There will be plenty of other occasions to win masters, right now it is urgent that Andy breaks his slam duck.
As for Ferrer catching up with Andy, how may i ask is that even possible over the hardcourt and Indoor season? He wont get even close and Rafa is out to so he can still progress in the rankings.
Letting go of Cincinnatti was a good decision & a risk worth taking that will pay benefits come the US Open, where we need him to be at his very best. Coming in after a win in Toronto or cincy has affected his performance at the open before, he's said as much.
I honestly doubt that Novak will defend his title and Roger has had his fun.
Its Andy time now.

Can understand your comments only if he DID actually give it up. I am not sure he did.  My concern is the confidence he gained in London has taken a knock. We all know he has the game but needs that confidence. I am still feeling disappointed this morning and of I am honest a little concerned.  He will be in novaks half in new York as sure as eggs is eggs and fed will get the easy run again I still think the matches and confidence that's comes with winning them would have been more use than a few days rest. 
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #77 on: August 17, 2012, 11:48 AM »
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I think that's a fair point tcbm.  But if Andy was feeling off in some way I don't think it should knock his confidence.  He'll know that's why he lost. And I don't think the confidence of a gold medal + wimbledon final will evaporate that quickly.  And I'm sure Mr L will know just what to say to get him back on track for USO.  I don't think they meet up again till next week but I'm sure they've already spoken on phone and no bad thing if Andy has a rest over the w/e.
Incidentally it would be interesting to know what is being said on Ferrer's fan site just now given how poorly he's performed here and at Olympics.  I bet his fans cut him abit more slack than some of Andy's do!
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #78 on: August 17, 2012, 11:53 AM »
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I just don't care that Andy lost this.
Sacrificing a tournament he has won twice before, one that your main competitors are in and should hopefully tire themselves in the final with. Is a bonus.
I agree the masters are significant but dropping out of this one after the summer Andy has had will reap benefits. There will be plenty of other occasions to win masters, right now it is urgent that Andy breaks his slam duck.
As for Ferrer catching up with Andy, how may i ask is that even possible over the hardcourt and Indoor season? He wont get even close and Rafa is out to so he can still progress in the rankings.
Letting go of Cincinnatti was a good decision & a risk worth taking that will pay benefits come the US Open, where we need him to be at his very best. Coming in after a win in Toronto or cincy has affected his performance at the open before, he's said as much.
I honestly doubt that Novak will defend his title and Roger has had his fun.
Its Andy time now.

They will have over a week to recover. Anyway since when do Joker or Fed get tired? Or Nadal for that matter who  wins about every match in the clay court season without a rest. Andy seems to be the only one of the top 4 who needs a rest but that's Andy for you.

 FWIW I dont think he looked comfortable on the court. It was very fast which does not bode well for New York where the courts are usually very fast. Ive seriously downgraded my expectations for the USO and I'll be more than happy if Andy reaches the semi-finals. If he does win a Slam eventually it won;t be this year IMO.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #79 on: August 17, 2012, 11:57 AM »
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Well Fed withdrew from Toronto because of tiredness.  Nole has spoken about being tired at Cinci.  WHAT are you talking about?
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #80 on: August 17, 2012, 11:59 AM »
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I think that's a fair point tcbm.  But if Andy was feeling off in some way I don't think it should knock his confidence.  He'll know that's why he lost. And I don't think the confidence of a gold medal + wimbledon final will evaporate that quickly.  And I'm sure Mr L will know just what to say to get him back on track for USO.  I don't think they meet up again till next week but I'm sure they've already spoken on phone and no bad thing if Andy has a rest over the w/e.
Incidentally it would be interesting to know what is being said on Ferrer's fan site just now given how poorly he's performed here and at Olympics.  I bet his fans cut him abit more slack than some of Andy's do!

I think you mean tessie, Ruthie?
Anyway i agree with you, just because he lost to some mediocre frenchmen doesn't mean he can't play tennis anymore.
We have to put this into context, he was clearly knackered, now he can rest up. Andy only needs a few rounds of the US to get back into shape. He had two of the toughest draws ever at Wimbledon concurrentlyand made the finals of one winning the other. Are people seriously suggesting his game will collapse now?
He can draw from both of his final appearances for the rest of the year particularly the Olympics, regardless of a loss from Chardy or any other losses that will happen, & they will as the ywill with the others too.
He was tired he lost, end of.
In addition to resting its clear that the pre olympic Murray never thrived on being the favourite, he might have just matured in this respect but its better to be safe than sorry, the heat will be off a bit.
Lets hope Roger and Novak get to the final with Novak prevailing in 3 tb sets
And then we are all set for New York.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #81 on: August 17, 2012, 12:00 PM »
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Yeah Fed is nearly 31. Nole tired? Well if he does get tired it doesn't show.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #82 on: August 17, 2012, 12:03 PM »
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Well Fed withdrew from Toronto because of tiredness.  Nole has spoken about being tired at Cinci.  WHAT are you talking about?


Took the words right out of my mouth.
Federer will be tired. This year has been very stressful and Novak has been a little off the entire year with mental fatigue.
Regardless Andy will be in the final this year i feel and he has progressed enough to take that last step.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #83 on: August 17, 2012, 12:04 PM »
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Regardless Andy will be in the final this year i feel and he has progressed enough to take that last step.


Well that level of optimism is certainly not based on number of points garnered this year. He's way behind the top 3 in that respect.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #84 on: August 17, 2012, 12:05 PM »
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Yeah Fed is nearly 31. Nole tired? Well if he does get tired it doesn't show.

So much for being a fed fan, your facts are often off however. Roger has been 31 since the 8th.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #85 on: August 17, 2012, 12:09 PM »
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Well that level of optimism is certainly not based on number of points garnered this year. He's way behind the top 3 in that respect.

He just flattened Novak and Roger in straight sets at wimbledon!
Thats where my optimism comes from.
The year is far from done and we are now entering Andy's favourite part of it.
Please give all this phony concern a rest, its obviously going to be fine.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #86 on: August 17, 2012, 12:10 PM »
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I think you mean tessie, Ruthie?
Anyway i agree with you, just because he lost to some mediocre frenchmen doesn't mean he can't play tennis anymore.
We have to put this into context, he was clearly knackered, now he can rest up. Andy only needs a few rounds of the US to get back into shape. He had two of the toughest draws ever at Wimbledon concurrentlyand made the finals of one winning the other. Are people seriously suggesting his game will collapse now?
He can draw from both of his final appearances for the rest of the year particularly the Olympics, regardless of a loss from Chardy or any other losses that will happen, & they will as the ywill with the others too.
He was tired he lost, end of.
In addition to resting its clear that the pre olympic Murray never thrived on being the favourite, he might have just matured in this respect but its better to be safe than sorry, the heat will be off a bit.
Lets hope Roger and Novak get to the final with Novak prevailing in 3 tb sets
And then we are all set for New York.
I did - apologies to both Tessie and you.  And I agree that perhaps no bad thing if expectations are reduced somewhat.  I was beginning to get uneasy as comms were talking about Andy being #1 before end of the year and this is his time etc.  While part of me rejoices in the recognition for Andy I don't think it helps him when he's hyped up like that. I always remember when he was hyped to win AO and went out in I think 1st round to JWT.

Oh and bignose the idea that Nole doesn't show it when he's tired?  You cannot be serious.  Sure it sometimes feels like he's playing possum when he shows that tiredness but don't know how you can say he doesn't show it.  And we do have to remember they are all mortal human beings however consummate an athlete each is and the ATP tour especially with Olympics thrown in is pretty punishing.  I wonder how footballers would cope with that amount of time on the pitch day in day out.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #87 on: August 17, 2012, 12:20 PM »
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So much for being a fed fan, your facts are often off however. Roger has been 31 since the 8th.

Actually I'm an Andy fan. Fed would be my second favourite although I do love over-egging it to wind you lot up. The anti-Fed sentiment here is unreal. If you were real tennis fans you'd rejoice in the way the guy plays the game.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #88 on: August 17, 2012, 12:26 PM »
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Actually I'm an Andy fan. Fed would be my second favourite although I do love over-egging it to wind you lot up. The anti-Fed sentiment here is unreal. If you were real tennis fans you'd rejoice in the way the guy plays the game.

Well we dont have to take your word for it.
And why would you want to wind us up?
Its not a very mature stance to take is it?
Why don't you simply accept that not everyone is so fervently sycophantic about Roger as you clearly are.
Which is more than can be said about your consistently whiney posts about Andy Murray.
Perhaps a little perspective on your part is required in this matter.
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Re: Dismal Murray falls to Chardy « Reply #89 on: August 17, 2012, 12:28 PM »
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Geez,this was one of his worst matches ever. I cannot believe that after that stunning Olympic performance he managed to pull out this poor play.
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