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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #60 on: November 12, 2012, 09:36 AM »
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On Armistice Day I expected blood, sweat and tears, but, instead, Andrew Murray the boy turned up and displayed the cussing, racket smashing persona I truly thought he had left behind. He tried to belittle Federer with the silly drop shots, which badly backfired on him and was duly punished for it.  I felt embarrassed.  I suspect Federer felt insulted by them and it galvanised him to teach the A1 student another lesson - don't attempt to usurp the master with schoolboy pranks. 

Andy can certainly forget about SPOTY, even though he has had an exceptional year of success.  Like it or not, he has to work on his PR and even though tennis is a one-person sport, he does have an obligation to the public.  I liken him to Victoria Beckham - never smiles and fails to connect with the public, with the exception of his recent visit to Dunblane when perhaps the real Andy Murray turned up.  We want more of this, please.   Djokovic and Tsonga are always smiling and chatty and have the confidence and willingness to look the interviewer and/or the camera in the eye;  Del Potro was lovely with the kids who accompanied him onto court;  like it or not, Federer spent ages with the fans after his matches.  Murray needs to win over the British public and has to drastically change the image he portrays.  He should get some lessons from fellow British icons Beckham, McIlroy and others who are so adored by their fellow Brits.  I admire talent outside the UK, but have absolutely no connection with them. 

I know the majority of this forum hates the Daily Mail followers, but this is what one of them says "What does Murray have to do to win crowds over? Easy: stop those disgusting faces he likes to pull, be nice and smily, look people in the eye and treat people with respect. The press conference prior to Federer-Murray match was appalling: he looked as if he wanted to be somewhere else, no smiles, no nothing. This is part of your job, man! Wake up and be nice."  My sister and several of my friends say the same things and I'm forever having to try to convince them that he's nice really.  It's time Andy convinced them and didn't leave it to me and the rest of us.

I'm a Brit and Murray's a Brit and for that reason I will always support him and passionately want him to win, but I can't stand it when he turns up impersonating Harry Enfield's Kevin.  I do hope that 2013 sees a complete maker-over and a winning streak with dignity, sportsmanship and fun, fun, fun.  Lighten up!!

You were watching something else. Andy tapped one racquet on the ground. It didn't even crack, he merely replaced it. Read my post for how Andy conducted himself in his pre-match interview. Your view is just wrong.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #61 on: November 12, 2012, 09:37 AM »
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I know the majority of this forum hates the Daily Mail followers, but this is what one of them says "What does Murray have to do to win crowds over? Easy: stop those disgusting faces he likes to pull, be nice and smily, look people in the eye and treat people with respect. The press conference prior to Federer-Murray match was appalling: he looked as if he wanted to be somewhere else, no smiles, no nothing. This is part of your job, man! Wake up and be nice." 

To be fair, that Daily Mail commenter was from Lugano.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #62 on: November 12, 2012, 09:40 AM »
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...but there are lots of green arrows for the negative comments. Has Murray gone back to default position of hate figure central with the British public?
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #63 on: November 12, 2012, 09:45 AM »
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^  no  I don't think so.  The Thing which annoys me most though  Is Andy didn't even smash his racket that hard.  It was merely a tap off the ground.  LOL  it was a complete over reaction from the crowd.  I have seen much worse behavior from tennis players on a court   and they don't get  booed.  Its like  everyone is protraying Andy as this big mean Satan disgusting guy.   In fact he is quite the opposite.    It frustates me so much
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #64 on: November 12, 2012, 09:52 AM »
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I have gained the impression that Andy has become a lttle more relaxed in interviews, smiles now and then. But his bad experiences have also made him careful with the media. Yes, media are part of a professional's work, but Andy should never ever adjust his personality to the needs of the so called public as we then will have all these polished celebrities having gone through the mills of media compatibility: all smiles, talkative, Mr Nice Guy...I am glad that Andy has successfully defended his authenticity, be it pleasant or not to some viewers. And as a sports fan I would never make my preference for Andy dependent on a press conference performance. It is his game on court that makes me watch him and where he appears by far more emotional than many others. he examples of other sports celebs rather turn me off.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #65 on: November 12, 2012, 10:04 AM »
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You were watching something else. Andy tapped one racquet on the ground. It didn't even crack, he merely replaced it. Read my post for how Andy conducted himself in his pre-match interview. Your view is just wrong.

Quite right TJ.    In any case Andy is his own person and always will be.    Why should he try to please the great British public - he's there to play tennis and so far has done pretty well at that in spite of a lack of support for most of his career.    Tsonga is very smiley and happy and if he was less so he might have maximised his tennis potential.    Who knows?    I quite like Novak but he has a different agenda.    His mission is to make Serbia a more popular country through his talent and personality. 
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #66 on: November 12, 2012, 10:08 AM »
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...but there are lots of green arrows for the negative comments. Has Murray gone back to default position of hate figure central with the British public?

Very possibly.    Fortunately most of the tennis year is spent elsewhere and the great British public don't even know it's happening.

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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #67 on: November 12, 2012, 10:11 AM »
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Such a disappointing end to Andy's season.Still that's the way it goes I hope for better things next year
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #68 on: November 12, 2012, 10:19 AM »
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Too often when Andy loses a point he castigates himself.  By contrast Djokovic taps his racket and acknowledges his opponent's winning shot and moves on, although I concede that he does lose the plot occasionally.  Andy transmits negativity to his brain and I had hoped Lendl would eradicate this permanently, but it seems that old habits die hard.  Andy needs to learn the Law of Attraction and there's nothing better than being nice to people and for them to be nice to you in return.  Being disliked is not a good feeling, no matter how unbothered you pretend to be.  Smile and be engaging Andy - it costs nothing and it's infectious.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #69 on: November 12, 2012, 10:19 AM »
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Neil Harman's article today is entitled 'The Night Basle Came to London'. I don't pay for The Times. Can anyone post it on here?

I suspect it's in response to many criticisms of him on Twitter of being a rampant Federer fan.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #70 on: November 12, 2012, 10:20 AM »
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Too often when Andy loses a point he castigates himself.  By contrast Djokovic taps his racket and acknowledges his opponent's winning shot and moves on, although I concede that he does lose the plot occasionally.  Andy transmits negativity to his brain and I had hoped Lendl would eradicate this permanently, but it seems that old habits die hard.  Andy needs to learn the Law of Attraction and there's nothing better than being nice to people and for them to be nice to you in return.  Being disliked is not a good feeling, no matter how unbothered you pretend to be.  Smile and be engaging Andy - it costs nothing and it's infectious.

Ridiculous comment from someone who clearly never watches Andy play.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #71 on: November 12, 2012, 10:39 AM »
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My heart broke for Andy last night in that cauldron of hysterical over-the-top adoration for his opponent.  We all expected Federer to have great support but nothing prepared me for the almost-tangible antipathy towards Andy.  Fed described the atmosphere as electric, and he wasn't kidding.  My TV set was sizzling with something I've never witnessed before - that baying mob of a crowd wanted darling Roger to win so badly that they forgot their manners completely.

The old guy played great but Andy is a sensitive, emotional human being and there was no doubt that the pressure and sense of evil emanating from so many rancid creatures around that arena definitely got to him.  It felt more like witnessing a disgusting cock-fight or fox-kill, with Jolly Roger fanatics blatantly licking their lips at the smell of Andy Murray's blood.  It was almost a relief when Andy capitulated and gave them what they wanted.  By then he (and I) had had enough.  I just wanted him off that court and in a place of safety.  God only knows what might have happened if Andy had won...

Leave 'em to their triumphal spoils - their hero's days at the top are numbered and their desperation for his continued success manifested itself in a shameful display of graceless insensitivity towards their man's opponent.  It takes two to play a tennis match and once again Andy played his part in what should have been a magnificent sporting occasion.  Unfortunately there was nothing sporting about Federer's army of supporters. 
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #72 on: November 12, 2012, 10:41 AM »
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Ridiculous comment from someone who clearly never watches Andy play.
I don't pay for Sky Sports for nothing.  I've watched every tournament for years, even getting out of bed in the middle of the night to watch and viewing the out of synch streaming on my computer.  As I've said before, I don't watch the matches through rose tinted glasses.
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #73 on: November 12, 2012, 10:49 AM »
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Mike Dickson and 'Basle-on-Thames':

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2231491/Andy-Murray-beaten-Roger-Federer-ATP-Finals-semi-final.html
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Re: Federer outclasses substandard Murray « Reply #74 on: November 12, 2012, 10:52 AM »
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Just got home having been there last night and here are some quick reflections.  Will reflect on Tsonga match on appropriate thread later as was there in 2nd row for that.  No time to read this thread right now.

The more I reflect on last night the more I think it was the 'crowd wot won it' for smugfed.   It was clear from earlier on that there was greater support for him than for Andy from the level of cheers that went up when their respective names were announced/pictures went up on screen etc. Andy has spoken alot about the importance of the crowd support he receives at home and I think after the Olympics he believed he'd get it here.  Well it was not to be. Although there were many of us shouting for Andy, we were out shouted and out-flagged by fed supporters.  I even invested in a Saltire [I've never waved a flag before in my life and couldn't bring myself to wave a union flag so hope you'll accept me as an honorary scot my Scottish friends on MW!].  I think this may have got to Andy especially when he was booed during the tie break for changing his racquet  (something that the Guardian report majors on) even though it was on his own serve.  Andy's play got worse after that.  And Andy was pretty flat and while it might have been tiredness I do think it was psychological - not getting the support he'd hoped for.  After all he didn't look tired in the Tsonga match.  

For myself it was so disappointing that Andy didn't do himself justice out there.  I did my best screaming and waving the Saltire.  At one point,  I let out a deep breath and the young woman next to me asked me if I was alright in a concerned voice!  I said yes, but just found it stressful and my friend was the opposite side of the arena. She was clapping for andy and not fed but no shouting or anything.  My other side was a Slovakanian or was it Slovenian couple [whichever Fed's wife is]. She was screeching Roger Roger like a parrot with a v shrill voice. When she wasn't she was chatting to her partner.  This so incensed the young women the other side of me that they said they couldn't stand it anymore and said would watch last game from the back.
There were alot of overseas smugfed fans there but also quite a few (largely posh) English voices shouting for him too. This reminded me of a memory I'd supressed from the Olympics. The woman I was next to on Murrays Mount had said she'd normally be shouting for fed but because Andy was representing Team GB she was shouting for him that day.  I think that was true of quite a few people.  That's not to say that Andy is as unpopular as he was -witness coming 2nd in the ATP poll - but we should never underestimate the level of support for smugfed among British tennis fans and I wonder if Andy did.

Oh and another thought. Andy's serving was poor last night and I did wonder whether it was that back again contributing.  Had it not been for the serve I think he could have won the first set without fed breaking back and then the match might have ended very differently.

Clementine good post.  That was sure how it felt. And it left me feeling quite bruised I have to say.  
Finally, so glad Andy is focusing on the positives of the year and that he's now going to have a holiday.  I hope too he can get any necessary treatment for the back, which was what Kevin Mitchell had said he'd be doing recently.

Oh and just read Mike Dickson.  He's right: British sports fans really don't deserve Andy.  

And I have no idea what match FCR was watching but it wasn't the one I was watching in the arena.  I thought Andy kept it together very well in what must have been such disappointing circumstances for him. And I note he was very gracious afterwards in acknowleding that Fed has such a strong fan base and not in any way implying that he felt he should have had more support.  
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