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Posted on: October 13, 2012, 04:41 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
well I for one am sorry that psu will now be gone.
I don't claim to be able to write a match report -and indeed doubt I'd ever be invited to join the excellent team of writers who do write them - but I don't think that means I and others are not allowed to be critical when a report, the first thing someone reads when coming to our website, is so negative.  And it's that public face of MW which is why I don't think it's good for all those alter egos to be exposed in what stands as an official report.
Boogers I recall after USO you acknowleged the mantle of resident eeyore and warned that Andy might have a dip after USO.  For once I agreed with you ie that we should accept there might be a dip.   But some of your postings since then have been worthy of eeyore on speed.  Whistle
 
Incidentally according to today's paper Andy has a bronchial infection which I'd have thought would have affected the ability to move round the court as we saw yesterday.  Just really pleased he has either thrown it off or was able to play through it today.
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 04:16 PM
Posted by: Caz
Shame you're not around when the Fed fans are on here putting Andy down!  Whistle
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 01:19 PM
Posted by: psu
One last message on Boogers’ report on the Murray-Stepanek match and then I’m gone. I am not surprised at the support for Boogers as I’ve seen it before. That support seems to say: 1) he takes time from a busy schedule to volunteer as a reporter for the site, and 2) he has been a member of Murraysworld  for a long time.  Both of those conditions are certainly admirable, but I don’t think they justify a report like this one.  Complaints about Murray’s language have been hashed over on this site and elsewhere for a long time.  He swears when frustrated. Do any of us do the same?  Do any other athletes do the same?  Do any other tennis players do the same? Great Britain had a well-known tennis player who was held as a model of gentlemanly behavior. His name was Tim Henman.  Indeed, if you listen to the pre-match commentary when Murray first defeated Henman you will hear the contrast drawn between “Middle England" and “urban”  and between “red wine” and “alco-pop.”  I think we know who was which and what behavior was supposed to characterize those stereotypes.  Which player would you rather have had?   My complaint about this report can be summed up as follows. It reads like a grudging acknowledgement that the dog brought his master’s slippers but didn’t do it fast enough and didn’t wag his tail.  Murray is a world class athlete and deserves a bit better than that.

Posted on: October 13, 2012, 11:59 AM
Posted by: Aileen
To me Boogers is an integral part of my Murray World experience. Particularly his appearances on the live match threads.

He represents the part of me that is thinking “What is that stupid bugger doing out there?! Why is being so passive?!” etc. while I am actually posting “MON’ ANDY!” There has been many, many times whilst he has been pointing out to us all just how pathetic Andy’s play is or predicting Andy’s loss of the match, I wished he was within arms reach so I could grab him by the throat and shut the ******* up! (Or, at least have him in hologram form so I could shout at it/him and throw stuff at him!) But, as many times as I have felt the need to grab him, I have enjoyed witnessing an Andy come-back that shuts the ******* up! (And I kind of suspect that Boogers has been expecting that come-back all along).

Boogers is my alter ego’s voice of all those many times that Andy Murray is not playing like Andy Murray can/should. He relates those times like they are; No thrills, no excuses, no bullsh*t!

Boogers is the fan that lives within us all who knows Andy can play a lot better than that and he sets out to let us all know that he is pissed off that Andy is not!

Boogers has been a devoted fan long enough to merit being an integral. Without Boogers out there, Murray World would not be the Murray World we all know and Andy’s match turn-arounds would not be as half enjoyable as they are.  Thanks for your input and keep up the good work Boogers.  (Ya *******!)   thumb up
Very well said Tom.  I think Boogers is probably the alter ego of a lot of people on MW, should they care to admit it or even recognise it. 
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 09:58 AM
Posted by: lashurst
IonaeRd, thanks for drawing our attention to the Scotsmans article. I didnt see the match but realise now what a struggle it was, playing Radek at his best. Summed up by the man himself:

 “I just managed to turn it around in time,” Murray said. “I actually played very well I thought the last ten, 15 minutes of the match. But it was quite scrappy, the first couple of sets. For me, the beginning of the third set was what was most frustrating. I played a couple of really poor shots I would hopefully not normally make on points like that.

“He got that game. Then I got broken the following game after a couple long rallies. He had some unbelievable gets. That period of the match was tough.

“I started going for my shots and dictated a majority of those at the end of the match. Obviously I needed to because he was playing with a lot of variety, making it hard for me. I was a little bit tentative on some shots. I allowed him to come forward. When I managed to push him back behind the baseline, I started to open up the court better and just had a little bit more intensity at the end of the match.”

At least Murray was feeling a little better than he had earlier in the week, even if did not look like a well man. Still trying to shake off a virus infection, he was gulping down air after long rallies and could not find the spark he needed to ignite his game until deep into the match.

“I just picked the bug up on the flight,” Murray said. “I had a sore throat and swollen glands. Then it kind of went down to my chest and I haven’t been able to get rid of it.”

Get well soon Andy.  wub The body's immune system needs rest to fight infection and 3 sets of tennis isnt exactly what the doctor orderd. doctor
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 09:57 AM
Posted by: Caz
Oh.......very well said Tom! I think you speak for many of us [including me]!  flowers
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 09:22 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Lol tomthoms, never knew u could post more than one liners.... Whistle
(love your editor btw  Fingers crossed)
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 09:16 AM
Posted by: tomthoms
To me Boogers is an integral part of my Murray World experience. Particularly his appearances on the live match threads.

He represents the part of me that is thinking “What is that stupid bugger doing out there?! Why is being so passive?!” etc. while I am actually posting “MON’ ANDY!” There has been many, many times whilst he has been pointing out to us all just how pathetic Andy’s play is or predicting Andy’s loss of the match, I wished he was within arms reach so I could grab him by the throat and shut the ******* up! (Or, at least have him in hologram form so I could shout at it/him and throw stuff at him!) But, as many times as I have felt the need to grab him, I have enjoyed witnessing an Andy come-back that shuts the ******* up! (And I kind of suspect that Boogers has been expecting that come-back all along).

Boogers is my alter ego’s voice of all those many times that Andy Murray is not playing like Andy Murray can/should. He relates those times like they are; No thrills, no excuses, no bull****!

Boogers is the fan that lives within us all who knows Andy can play a lot better than that and he sets out to let us all know that he is pissed off that Andy is not!

Boogers has been a devoted fan long enough to merit being an integral. Without Boogers out there, Murray World would not be the Murray World we all know and Andy’s match turn-arounds would not be as half enjoyable as they are. . Thanks for your input and keep up the good work Boogers.  (Ya *******!)   thumb up 

(Edited and censored by Caz).  
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 08:13 AM
Posted by: counter_ puncher
I do enjoy reading the match reports. They reflect what has happened on court and are therefore either good entertainment or sometimes depressing. And each reporter sees such a match with different eyes apart from the obvious facts. Some criticize his demeanour on court, others are relaxed about it, some want to see a fighter in any match, others concede him to be allowed to a bad day at the office. So what? But never have I had the feeling that the writer wishes to take Andy apart. From what most posters have said here I see one clear message:Andy has produced the most exciting summer (tennis-wise, because we all have a life beyond GS and Masters) for himself and his supporters and makes us look forward to the coming events with joy. So, therefore thank you to everybody who invests his time and skills in creating this community, which I would not be able to do.
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 06:35 AM
Posted by: Sabine
Andy, good win but please dont play like this against Roger...
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 02:40 AM
Posted by: Coldmarek


I wonder how many of you realise what it takes to be a member of the entirely voluntary MW news team?  Not only is a good technical knowledge of the game required but also the ability to make the best use of the English language and to write factually, concisely and clearly.  In fact the standard of reporting on MW is expected to be the same as that found in leading national newspapers, and during my three years on here that has always been the case, so I take my hat off to all of them.

All that and they often sound even better than what the papers say next day.
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 02:19 AM
Posted by: Aileen
^ Ugh - airplanes are notorious places to pick up respiratory bugs, especially on long-haul flights, because of the recirculated air which allows the easy transmission of viruses.


Ignoring the fact that I had urgent business to attend to which precluded me from finishing a detailed treatment of the second and third sets, there really wasn't much positive to report at all beyond "Murray won".

As always, if you feel you can do better then please do so. We're always looking for erudite contributors.
I wonder how many of you realise what it takes to be a member of the entirely voluntary MW news team?  Not only is a good technical knowledge of the game required but also the ability to make the best use of the English language and to write factually, concisely and clearly.  In fact the standard of reporting on MW is expected to be the same as that found in leading national newspapers, and during my three years on here that has always been the case, so I take my hat off to all of them.
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 12:46 AM
Posted by: IonaRed
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tennis/relieved-andy-murray-s-birthday-surprise-for-girlfriend-kim-1-2570649

At least Murray was feeling a little better than he had earlier in the week, even if did not look like a well man. Still trying to shake off a virus infection, he was gulping down air after long rallies and could not find the spark he needed to ignite his game until deep into the match.

“I just picked the bug up on the flight,” Murray said. “I had a sore throat and swollen glands. Then it kind of went down to my chest and I haven’t been able to get rid of it.”
Posted on: October 13, 2012, 12:12 AM
Posted by: TheMadHatter
"He spent the entire match cursing."

Exaggerating a bit there Phil. He was actually keeping himself very calm until whenever it was when he smashed the racquet, and then he started showing his frustration a bit after that.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:55 PM
Posted by: laundry
As always, if you feel you can do better then please do so. We're always looking for erudite contributors.

My English writing skills aren't good enough to be doing match reports. I would probably just copy a report that a paper had written instead. Like the one Telegraph:

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The US Open champion, who has an outside chance of finishing the year as world No 1, will face either Roger Federer or Marin Cilic for a place in the final.

He was forced to overcome some worrying moments against Stepanek before hitting top gear to remain on course for a third successive Shanghai Masters title.

Murray was in trouble in the fifth game, conceding three break points and finding the net on the third, and never recovered as the confident Stepanek took the opening set with ease.

Their fortunes reversed in a hard-fought second set with Murray looking more comfortable and capitalising on a double fault to break in the sixth.

A stunning forehand winner - executed at full reach having dashed the width of the court - in the third game of the deciding set helped Stepanek secure a crucial break.

But Murray broke back immediately in impressive style and barely broke sweat as he cruised to victory, Stepanek buckling beneath the pressure in the closing stages.

Murray was satisfied with the way he finished the quarter-final but admitted Stepanek had caused him problems.

"It was quite a scrappy first couple of sets, but obviously in the second set I managed to get a break and got a bit of momentum," Murray said.

"I started going for my shots and dictated a majority of those at the end of the match.

"Obviously I needed to do that because he was playing with a lot of variety, making it hard.

"I was a little bit tentative on some shots. I allowed him to come forward."

Although this could have had more content, at least it's somewhat balanced.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:46 PM
Posted by: boogers
I don't know Boogers at all, but I do know he has been here for several years and has taken time out of his personal life to do numerous and often excellent match reports for the benefit of MW, and I appreciate his contribution.
In my view he has earned his stripes here.

Thank you.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:39 PM
Posted by: boogers
Basically he gave a one-sided view concentrating only on the negatives aspects for Murray, which isn't good reporting at all.

Ignoring the fact that I had urgent business to attend to which precluded me from finishing a detailed treatment of the second and third sets, there really wasn't much positive to report at all beyond "Murray won".

As always, if you feel you can do better then please do so. We're always looking for erudite contributors.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:36 PM
Posted by: boogers
Comments such as "We can speculate on the tiredness and sickness.." are typical of this reporter

Settle down. Murray hasn't spoken much about being ill (excluding the unguarded remarks captured by the courtside microphones) so any talk about illness is speculation. We don't know if he's just got a bad cold sore, or if he's actually very sick indeed.

come and join us psu - we need more members who will stand up against this negative reporting

Feel free to "stand up" by writing and contributing your own match report.

Andy wasn't fractious, a word that suggests he was irritable throughout the match.

He spent the entire match cursing. He smashed a racquet. He got a code violation late in the match for thrashing a ball out of the stadium. He very much appeared to be bad tempered and easily irritable. Fractious.

I'm quite sure that if I had to play a match against a tricky opponent whilst ill I'd be fractious. It's simply a statement of fact, not a damning indictment against him as a person.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:31 PM
Posted by: laundry
I don't get what the issue is with Booger's report. He, I and several others watched the match live 'together' and it is factual.
During the match, he was the first person to acknowledge and post Andy's mention of being tired, sick and playing bad.
If the issue is because of the word 'fractuous'.. then why? He was fractuous at times. So what?
If the issue is because of the word 'speculate,' then I would concur there has been much speculation over what Andy's health issue is on the threads today. i.e. Is it a common cold, did he catch something on the plane, is it an infection etc. etc. etc...

I don't know Boogers at all, but I do know he has been here for several years and has taken time out of his personal life to do numerous and often excellent match reports for the benefit of MW, and I appreciate his contribution.
In my view he has earned his stripes here.


It was fine up to this line "Thankfully the Scot upped his level and ground out the win - but it wasn't pretty.", he spent 4 paragraphs describing the bad play in the 1st set, then rounded off the entire 2nd and 3rd with that one line in which he also intentionally gave a little dig towards Andy in by saying "but it wasn't pretty".

Basically he gave a one-sided view concentrating only on the negatives aspects for Murray, which isn't good reporting at all.
Posted on: October 12, 2012, 10:27 PM
Posted by: lashurst
Andys got a infection?......so what else did Andy and his Docs tell you?... Pray tell.
Well Robbie, I dont need a stethescope, or a hot line to his medic to say it's a respiratory infection.The laws of probability can be applied. 

During winter months, cold  colds, flu and other pesky epidemics are prevalent in the Northern hemisphere.

He said it was brewing when at Rakuten, and its obvious now! flu
Do you mean he's not telling the truth?