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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #30 on: September 18, 2011, 11:46 PM »
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I'm 100% Scottish and as patriotic as the rest of us, but I entirely agree with you and think it's disgraceful and disrespectful to the English players to have the Scottish aspect rammed down their throats.   
Oh for goodness sake - that particular verse got thrown out the window 150 years ago! 

I agree with the quoted part of your first paragraph.

You are wrong!! The second verse still exists, although NEVER sung. Anyway GSTQ is a boring anthem. Give me Rule Britannia or Land of Hope and Glory anytime.
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #31 on: September 19, 2011, 12:53 AM »
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The team won so what does it matter what they were wearing or national athem shenanigans? It's all about the W. If team GB deems it an advantage to make the boys turn out wearing the Borat Mankini (which would put off their opponents no doubt Very Happy ) then that would be fine. The other team would probably die of laughter for a start!

Congrats to the boys on the win BTW. Onwards and forwards Smile
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #32 on: September 19, 2011, 02:26 AM »
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I agree with the quoted part of your first paragraph.

You are wrong!! The second verse still exists, although NEVER sung. Anyway GSTQ is a boring anthem. Give me Rule Britannia or Land of Hope and Glory anytime.
OSS, I am not wrong.  The verse quoted by macenroeforever, which was written in 1745, was removed in 1870 when GSTQ officially became the British national anthem.  Also that odious verse was completely incorrect in its reference to "rebellious Scots", since it was only the Jacobites who rebelled in 1745 (and before that in 1715).  There were many English Catholics who were Jacobites, just as there were many Scottish Protestants who were in favour of the Hanoverian Succession who fought alongside the Government troops.  If you don't believe me, consult a history book!

Also there were originally five verses in the British national anthem, but that has long since been reduced to two, the original third verse becoming the second verse.  The only time the second verse is sung now, to my knowledge, is at the Festival of Remembrance in the Royal Albert Hall - and it was sung at the Queen's coronation as well.  It is:

Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign;
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!

As for Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory - what a joke.  Britannia can barely rule herself these days never mind anyone else, and hope and glory went down the plughole decades ago.  I'm quite happy to stay with GSTQ thank you!
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #33 on: September 19, 2011, 09:04 AM »
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I agree with the quoted part of your first paragraph.

You are wrong!! The second verse still exists, although NEVER sung. Anyway GSTQ is a boring anthem. Give me Rule Britannia or Land of Hope and Glory anytime.
I'm with you on this one all the way Uncle Wullie!  hug
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #34 on: September 19, 2011, 09:19 AM »
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Will you lot north of the border hurry up and cede from the union so you can have your own anthem?
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #35 on: September 19, 2011, 09:34 AM »
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Why?
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #36 on: September 19, 2011, 09:46 AM »
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Will you lot north of the border hurry up and cede from the union so you can have your own anthem?

I wonder if those with a very good sense of humour read Kelvin Mackenzie's debut page in The Mail on Saturday entitled "Why don't the Scots merge with Greece?.   As the page header said "Irrepressible, uproariously un-PC, a new star joins the Mail".  On a par for hilarity with Clarkson's column in The Sun on Saturdays.
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #37 on: September 19, 2011, 10:24 AM »
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Well done Andy and the GB Team.  toot Great weekend and atmosphere awesome. Loved the Red Hot Chilli Pipers and Andy singing along to Flower of Scotland brought a lump to my throat.
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #38 on: September 19, 2011, 10:37 AM »
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Well done Andy and the GB Team.  toot Great weekend and atmosphere awesome. Loved the Red Hot Chilli Pipers and Andy singing along to Flower of Scotland brought a lump to my throat.
Mine too Chris.......gulp!
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #39 on: September 19, 2011, 11:17 AM »
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Well done Andy and the GB Team.  toot Great weekend and atmosphere awesome. Loved the Red Hot Chilli Pipers and Andy singing along to Flower of Scotland brought a lump to my throat.
Thank you for confirming my earlier post that Andy did sing along to Flower of Scotland.  A very anti-English anthem, which, from my ignorance, I thought was an ancient song, but it was in fact penned in 1965.  I now even more think this an insult to Ward and Hutchins and other English members of the GB Team, as well as the viewing and supporting public.  And it may be as well to remember that Wales is also a member of Great Britain.  How much more diplomatic it would have been for the hosts to have offered an array of songs dipicting each of the 3 nations.

Andy is obviously very proud of his Scottish roots, but there are times when folk like him, in the public eye, need to be mindful of their actions.  I very much enjoy watching Andy play and hope that he will continue to succeed, but I know also that this weekend will make my sister and several of my friends dislike him even more.  No matter what I say, they still won't forgive him for the "anyone but England" faux pas and this has added insult.
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #40 on: September 19, 2011, 11:29 AM »
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re: the shirt issue: I've been looking at the official 'information sheet' (no programme this time) and my photos.  The "Davis Cup Team Great Britain" tracksuit is Nike. Andy wore his tracksuit top the whole time during the presentations and when he was sitting courtside, watching other matches.  He's currently sponsored by Adidas (to the tune of £10 million, I read) and is probably restricted by the terms of that contract, to wearing only Adidas gear when playing.  He certainly wore his GB top whenever he was off court but on GB duty. Probably the only compromise available.

re: the anthems: I'm English, and I live in Scotland.  Was very surprised to hear GSTQ on Friday- I think I was the only spectator within earshot singing aloud! There was no disrespect to the anthem tho', unlike you would get in other sports.  Whenever Flower of Scotland is played, I will stand if everyone else does, but I won't sing. Yesterday only the Scottish members of the team were playing, maybe that's why they went with FOS. Let's face it, the 'anyone but Andy' brigade will pick up on anything to justify their stance.
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #41 on: September 19, 2011, 12:13 PM »
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As a Brit, I am very happy to stand and sing GSTQ whenever and wherever it is played - I don't think it's the most stirring anthem ever penned but it's ours.  One thing that has always irked me, however, is the English rugby/soccer teams use of GSTQ as their anthem - it isn't the anthem of England, it is the anthem of GB & NI.   Each of the other home countries has their own anthem - why not England?  

Having said that, I would rather Scotland had something other than 'Flower of Scotland' as its anthem.  I don't think a song about a battle that happened nearly 700 years ago in any way reflects a modern outward looking Scotland - it merely reinforces the hang up that some Scots have with our more populous neighbour.  It was written as a folk song and I think loses hugely from being shouted out en masse.  When I first heard it sung by The Corries it was sung in a fairly quiet and introspective manner.  I'm pretty sure Roy Williamson would turn in his grave if he heard it bawled out, as it often is at Murrayfield and elsewhere, in waltz time.

On the theme of home countries, what do you think would happen if a fantastic tennis player emerged from Northern Ireland - which isn't actually part of GB. Would he be eligible to play Davis Cup for GB, would it the team have to be re-styled as GB&I or would he play for a united Ireland as in rugby?
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #42 on: September 19, 2011, 12:47 PM »
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Andy is obviously very proud of his Scottish roots, but there are times when folk like him, in the public eye, need to be mindful of their actions.  I very much enjoy watching Andy play and hope that he will continue to succeed, but I know also that this weekend will make my sister and several of my friends dislike him even more.  No matter what I say, they still won't forgive him for the "anyone but England" faux pas and this has added insult.

It wasn't a 'faux pas' it was a JOKE. The journalist involved here explains it for the hard of understanding:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1194310/DES-KELLY-For-time--Scot-Andy-Murray-traitor.html#ixzz1CYo24Vt2

Seems a shame Andy can't be proud of his roots without all this criticism which has totally overshadowed the main topic of the thread.
Just look at how proud Djokovic is of his Serbian roots - I don't see him getting criticised over it.

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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #43 on: September 19, 2011, 01:42 PM »
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Matchpoint.......thank you for your post and the link! Unfortunately, there are still so many small minded bigotted people out there who would 'rather' believe that Andy was serious, no matter how many times that poor reporter tries to make them see the truth of the matter! I fear, he's wasting his breath!
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Re: Great Britain beat Hungary in Davis Cup « Reply #44 on: September 19, 2011, 01:45 PM »
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Well said, Iris.
It sometimes seems like every single thing Andy says/ doesn't say/ sings/ doesn't sing/ does/ doesn't do/ wears/ doesn't wear etc etc has to be picked over and analysed, usually with a negative slant. Why not just chill out and let him be himself?
Yes Yes Yes , PLEASE LET HIM, well said M,P. well done team G.B. ;yay;
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