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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #30 on: May 15, 2013, 11:07 PM »
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It's tougher because it's slower. You aim to hit the ball hard and, to achieve the same speed of shot on clay as you do on other surfaces, you need to apply a lot more physical action to your shots - more rotation, more muscle etc.

You also hit a lot more shots - the average rally on clay is probably about ten shots, as compared to about five on other surfaces, so you have to work harder to win each point. Of course, some rallies on clay can be 40+ shots.

Thank you - that makes sense.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #31 on: May 16, 2013, 08:51 AM »
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Thanks for the report Nigel! I had to leave home yesterday towards the end of the second set at 5-5 and was worried Andy would win and play a third set! I came straight on here to read your report when I got back last night and was so relieved to see that he'd retired....so thanks again!
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #32 on: May 16, 2013, 09:24 AM »
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oh dear, such a shame. we were there when it was announced he was retiring, he looked such a dejected figure leaving the court. we saw some lovely play from andy but I amso pleased he retired at the end of the 2ndset. now we must wait and see. I hope he willnot play rg and get well for queens and wimbledon and beyond. pleasw get well andy and get yourback sorted. I have has 2 back ops, the specialist toldme I would never play sport again, but I do 4hrs of tennis each weekend andgolf. look after yourself.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #33 on: May 16, 2013, 09:35 AM »
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I often wonder why there are so many clay tournaments when many players have difficulty with the surface.  The grass season is shorter but still presents difficulties. Would it not be better just to stick with hard court?  Let's hope there is better news about Andy in a few days I know if I were him I'd just take my money and give up tennis entirely It's not worth risking your long term health for
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #34 on: May 16, 2013, 09:45 AM »
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I often wonder why there are so many clay tournaments when many players have difficulty with the surface. 

I've been making this point for years. The authorities just pay lip service to grass. The French has THREE (count 'em) Masters on clay directly preceding it, while Wimbledon gets a couple of 250 events, which clash with each other.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #35 on: May 16, 2013, 10:02 AM »
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 you know what very much doubt andy will pay much attention to the press he quite good at beating himself up alone right now poor thing,to really honest iam astounded as people on his own forum where slagging him off ...... no names manetioned  Whistle Whistle Whistle (off for sex for his birthday ...pls last thing on his mind for back pain)

at the end of the day his back has  got to be looked after as it has to carry his body for rest of his life forget about tennis.... that an after thought iadmit i will  look forward to his return to the court but his health is first priority and i respect him for his total honesty i respect his decision whole heartly xxx

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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #36 on: May 16, 2013, 10:19 AM »
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WElcome to juneg - sorry to have to welcome you at such a painful time for Andy fans.
I had to stop watching just as Andy broke back the 3rd time and then was tied up in meetings so only knew the outcome when a friend sent me a text.  Back home again now mulling it over.  V gloomy piece in the Independent, which casts doubt on whether Andy will even be fit for Wimbledon.
I remember we were speculating recently whether the physical problems Andy has with clay contributes to his more tentative play on this surface .  I'm sure it must be the case if subconsciously he's worrying that he might aggravate either his back or his knee problem or both (and in the bit from his presser quoted earlier Andy explains why clay is bad for his back - his knee problem is a different one to Rafa's and is aggravated by sliding I understand).  It certainly explains that flat, sluggish first set against Simon. Andy said then that it was stiffness, which eased as he played but perhaps he was trying to cover up the fact his back problem had really flared up again.  I hope it wasn't as a result of training too hard on the clay after MC.
Given the problems with clay I think he'd be mad to jeopardise the rest of the season by playing RG.  Heard Judy say as much on the radio this morning.
It's such a shame.  And what kind of a cruel jinx is it that the only two times he has retired has been on his birthday. 
Didn't hear Cowan and Croft but I can imagine them - they're all over Andy when he's doing well but the minute he slips up in some way their true feelings come out.  I hope Marcus is back today.  I imagine there will be some discussion of what happened to Andy at the start of the programme so it's just possible (if unlikely) that they will mention the emails of complaint, if enough were sent.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #37 on: May 16, 2013, 10:30 AM »
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I've been making this point for years. The authorities just pay lip service to grass. The French has THREE (count 'em) Masters on clay directly preceding it, while Wimbledon gets a couple of 250 events, which clash with each other.

In an ideal world they would ditch one of the clay Masters (I never understand why there are three, it's bonkers), and preferably two of them, to shorten the clay season and bring RG forward. Then they should either add a grass Masters or upgrade Queen's to Masters level.

I can never understand why grass court tennis is so overlooked by the authorities. It's attractive, exciting and has demands all of its own for the players. I know we can't go back to when three of the four majors were grass and I'm not asking for that (although, if Federer really is on the wain.......Smile but it strikes me as mad that it has just 250's that clash and Wimbledon.

Then again, I can't see a clay Masters going until Nadal is done with his career. He's made such a thing about saying there ought to be more clay tournaments and fewer hard, getting rid of one of the clay Masters would get right up his nose.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #38 on: May 16, 2013, 10:33 AM »
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Don't think the Independant is that gloomy if this problem has been going on since 2011, he has managed it quite successfully since ghen. It is obviously that clay places so many additional stresses on his body including his knee, that he doesn't want to risk it. He has achieved rather a lot since he developed this problem since 2011.  Absence from the FO won't surprise me - Wimbledon and Queens will. If nothing else he issuing in the charity doubles at Queens for Ross H - can anyone seriously see him missing that?
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #39 on: May 16, 2013, 10:42 AM »
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Let's hope there is better news about Andy in a few days I know if I were him I'd just take my money and give up tennis entirely It's not worth risking your long term health for

I get what you are saying completely, but Andy is no quitter. That's why I'm so proud of him for yesterday. He made Granollers work in the second set and stopped on his own terms. I suspect he was sending Granollers a little message there, telling him he could have the match this time, but only if he worked for it. In a way it seemed like Andy was saying 'I'll get you next time', and I think Granollers knew it.

Fingers crossed for better news soon, but I still think Andy should drop RG unless he really is fit to play, whatever happens to his ranking. The rest of the year is more important. He has points to defend at Wimbledon and the USO to defend.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #40 on: May 16, 2013, 10:43 AM »
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Masaka you yourself are giving reasons why we could expect Andy to play W and also Queens (and thanks for the reminder about the charity dubs that I'd forgotten) so isn't the suggestion that he might not play Wimbledon 'gloomy'?  Actually I think it's probably based on the fact that there's not that much time till Wimbledon than on any kind of inside information.  I'm sure Andy's priority now is to play the grass court season successfully and be able to defend his USO title and for that reason I think he'll pull out of RG.  

And tj I agree that Andy is no quitter.  Only two retirements up till now in his career despite this ongoing back problem for last couple of years is a pretty good record.  I was proud of Andy that he was able to up his game and go out on his own terms yesterday.   
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #41 on: May 16, 2013, 11:00 AM »
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Masaka you yourself are giving reasons why we could expect Andy to play W and also Queens (and thanks for the reminder about the charity dubs that I'd forgotten) so isn't the suggestion that he might not play Wimbledon 'gloomy'?  Actually I think it's probably based on the fact that there's not that much time till Wimbledon than on any kind of inside information.  I'm sure Andy's priority now is to play the grass court season successfully and be able to defend his USO title and for that reason I think he'll pull out of RG.   

Oh the joys of a misplaced punctuation mark. I meant to write that I didn't think that the Independant article was coming over as that gloomy. I didn't read it as though they were seriously suggesting he might miss Wimbledon. As usual with the press (and us for that matter), they jump on the slightest thing and that becomes fact.

Yesterday he retired from a clay court tournament where he is defending a measly 90 points, on a surface where he always has difficulties. He has has this problem for 2 years now. It doesn't seem to hinder him much except on clay. On the other surfaces he seems to be able to manage it.  If he misses the FO I think it will be as Judy Murray has said he doesn't  he doesn't want to risk not  doing well on the grass and hard courts. He is currently way ahead of Federer. All we need to do now is to hope that some obliging soul knocks him out of Rome and Roland Garros before the QF's. as I read it proving Fed only equals his points, not betters them Murray will still be ahead of Fed.

Let's also not forget an uninjured Tsonga, and Raonic both went out in the first round - it happens.

Panic not folks - I really think this is strategic .  However if it isn't let's not forget the Gold Medal and the Grand Slam. As he himself said after that victory, if he had had to retire after that he would have gone into retirement  happy. We all including him have to face the fact that at some point he will retire. The likes of Tommy Haas and the Aussie Chap are still playing and winning but can't manage the big titles anymore. The sooner Fed goes into that category the better.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #42 on: May 16, 2013, 12:06 PM »
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A strategic loss Masaka? No way, just no way. That isn't Andy's style at all. Besides, did you see the match? Andy couldn't move properly. If that's strategic the man deserves an Oscar.  The suggestion is almost as off as Marcus Buckland's this morning, that Andy might be using the injury in case he doesn't do well at Wimbledon.

To my mind Andy's integrity is questioned when people doubt the injury, even if that isn't the intention. Given Grabcopy's excellent explanation of why the clay is so tough it is clear why it would present problems for someone with a back problem, especially given the fact that Andy doesn't move as well on the clay even when fit - not that he has been fit for the surface for two years now.

People seem to question Andy because he hasn't been explicit about what the lower back problem is. I don't think he needs to. It's patently obvious he has an issue, if he was to go into a mass if detail about what the problem is it would play into the hands of his opponents. He was right not to go into detail about which shots hurt more than others too, for the same reason, although he did say that is the case.

Talking of Andy retiring is premature. I don't believe for a second, never did, that he would really be prepared to settle for one major. He was being flippant, based on the relief of having done it. Andy works too hard to stop unless he really has to. Hopefully that won't be the case for years. That's why it's important for him to look after the injury properly now, to put himself in the best position going forward.

Oh, and the Aussie chap is Hewitt.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #43 on: May 16, 2013, 12:48 PM »
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Ah sorry to misinterpret you Masaka!
While I agree a decision to pull out of the clay season now might be strategic, that doesn't mean there isn't a serious underlying problem.  Peter Fleming talked about an inflamed SI joint. That's the joint I have problems with and it's a long term problem as is Andy's.  As he has said in the past it's one he just has to manage but it does seem that managing it and playing on clay are not really compatible.  I didn't feel the discussion on Sky really acknowledged the implications of a long term back problem.  It's not just an occasional 'injury' or 'niggle' - though to give Peter F his due, he jumped on Marcus when he called it a niggle.   I was surprised too tj when Marcus said that about Wimbledon but he did at least acknowledge he could be being v cynical.
I manage my back problem with pilates (which Andy does) and regular visits to a McTimoney Chiropractor.  I do wish Andy would try the latter.  It's not like ordinary chiropractic, which pulls you about but is incredibly gentle and incredibly effective.  It has transformed my back problem.  I'm not on twitter or facebook, but if I were I'd recommend Andy tries it.  Perhaps someone who is could do so??
oh and Masaka please don't let's start talking about retirement. Andy has just turned 26. He's at the peak of his playing career with the potential of some more years at or near the top of the game.  While I agree retirement with an olympic gold medal and USO title is respectable, it would be such a loss should he have to retire prematurely because of his back when I'm sure he is capable of achieving so much more and being remembered as one of the greats of the game.  So here's  pray that we don't have to have the retirement conversation for say another four years.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #44 on: May 16, 2013, 01:31 PM »
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There is a lot of scaremongering going on just now in the media, they actually don’t really know that much more than us – they too are only going on the statements that have come from Andy during his press conference.  However, for any of them to question his integrity is very much out of order, he is one of the most genuine players on the circuit.  He never resorts to mind games or dirty tactics, he is also one of the most respected players (amongst his fellow players) but not very well respected by not very successful ex players turned pundits !!!! 

I think Judy Murray’s talk this morning on Radio 5 Live was very sensible in saying that no decisions can be made until after the results of a scan.  The only one thing that we all know on here is that Andy Murray will do everything in his physical capability to play Wimbledon because that is the slam that he has made no secrets about wanting to win the most.  Back problems are a thing of mystery but he will have access to the best medical team to give him the best advice etc.  On a personal note my husband has just had spinal surgery after falling off a roof at work and he is three weeks post op and is back on his feet, in no pain and getting better as each day goes on.  Now this was an operation not done privately, he is nearly twice Andy’s age and although relatively fit not super humanly fit so even if it is worst case scenario and surgery is required is does not automatically spell the end….


I nave always been a Murray Fan and will continue to be so and as I have often said these periods of complete despondency are often followed by a amazing and brilliant high.  So if he does miss RG I won’t be shedding any tears as it is my least favourite slam but so desperate for him to make Wimbledon but he has to do what is best for him and for the longevity of his career.


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