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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #45 on: May 16, 2013, 01:41 PM »
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What did Cowan say? I missed it.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #46 on: May 16, 2013, 01:46 PM »
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What did Cowan say? I missed it.

He criticised Andy for pulling out yesterday, whilst also criticising Andy for playing on at RG last year, some such rubbish about it being 'unfair on opponents'.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #47 on: May 16, 2013, 01:58 PM »
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Peter Fleming talked about an inflamed SI

Ruthie, the only thing I wish Peter Fleming had been clear about was whether he was speculating about the nature of Andy's injury. Andy has never said in public what it is exactly, and I can't really imagine him (or Lendl and the team for that matter) having a cosy chat with any of the pundits, so I think giving it a specific name is dodgy.

I know some of the pundits would say you can tell what the problem is by how it manifests, pain on certain shots, when rotating and such, but I just think some caution is required. Andy has been so careful not to go into detail about the injury, because doing so could help an opponent. I just wish, with all due respect to Fleming, he'd been a wee bit more careful about what he said, unless of course Andy has specifically told him what is wrong.

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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #48 on: May 16, 2013, 02:00 PM »
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cowan is a disgrace saying these remarks about andy. no player likes to pull out of any event if they are a sportman to talk about andy in this way is disgusting he is a fellow uk citizen  I also will be sending an email
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #49 on: May 16, 2013, 02:25 PM »
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Ruthie, the only thing I wish Peter Fleming had been clear about was whether he was speculating about the nature of Andy's injury. Andy has never said in public what it is exactly, and I can't really imagine him (or Lendl and the team for that matter) having a cosy chat with any of the pundits, so I think giving it a specific name is dodgy.

I know some of the pundits would say you can tell what the problem is by how it manifests, pain on certain shots, when rotating and such, but I just think some caution is required. Andy has been so careful not to go into detail about the injury, because doing so could help an opponent. I just wish, with all due respect to Fleming, he'd been a wee bit more careful about what he said, unless of course Andy has specifically told him what is wrong.


fair enough tj and it's true we can only assess it from the way it manifests itself.  But  I think a good McTimoney Chiropracter could probably help with most back-related problems.  Let's hope it doesn't have to come to an op, though what MM says is reassuring.

At least today the sky comms said that Andy retiring was in the interests of the tournament as it meant that Chardy gets a match today, given even if Andy had won, it's highly unlikely he'd have been fit to play today.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #50 on: May 16, 2013, 02:31 PM »
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I haven't read the Independant article and i'm not going too, the doom mongering in the british press is renouned you only have to go back a few weeks when Novak twisted his ankle in the Davis cup, Novak was so depressed about it that he started crying, he was also worried that he would miss the clay seaon altogether and then he went and won in MC. Tennis players are in safe hands, they have the best medical assistance money can buy.

In my opinion, Andy was in a worse state last year when he was playing in the FO he was clearly struggling and had to have injections, a few weeks later he made the final of Wimbledon.

There's ovbiously a long term issue here accentuated by the clay surface, if he thinks that the only option available to him is to miss the FO because of it then that is that, but for the long term, he clearly wants this sorted once and for all, as it is obviously hindering his playstyle. Tennis players have a habit of bouncing back, I would gladly take Andy being out of the game for a while to attempt to resolve this issue if that is what is required.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #51 on: May 16, 2013, 02:31 PM »
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I think that point about Andy's retirement being in the interest of the tournament is fair enough. It was a pretty good point that I hadn't thought of until it was mentioned. I wonder now if that was part of Andy's thinking yesterday really, i.e. give the crowd on that court something to see for a bit, not just a few games, then pull out to allow the tournament to carry on without too much of an issue.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #52 on: May 16, 2013, 02:36 PM »
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MM: you're right that comms probably have no more information than we have and as one of them said on the bbc website it would not be surprising if Andy himself were gloomy about the next few months, in the immediate aftermath of only his 2nd ever retirement.  This may be what prompted the speculation about Wimbledon ie one could read what Andy said as him possibly being out of the game for a few months. 
Gnome I'm not sure this is something that can be sorted out 'once and for all'.  Certainly Andy implied not a few weeks ago when he said it was just something he had to live with and manage.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #53 on: May 16, 2013, 02:59 PM »
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Sorry Teejay, by strategic loss what I am really meaning to say is that given he was only defending 90 points, it really wouldn't have been worth the risk of pushing on to try and win as for example he did in the Miami Final and US Open final, or for that matter the AO final earlier this year. I wasn't in anyway suggesting or even inferring that he wasn't injured. It's just that in some situations it might be worth battling to the bitter end - this tournament or any clay court tournament isn't. He retired at the right point. Marcel G won't develop any grandiose ideas that he can beat Murray. Equally knowing he wasn't going to push on in the tournament he gave the win to his opponent so he could play the next round. If he had withdrawn after winning that wouldn't have happened. All credit to him.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #54 on: May 16, 2013, 03:00 PM »
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I've been making this point for years. The authorities just pay lip service to grass. The French has THREE (count 'em) Masters on clay directly preceding it, while Wimbledon gets a couple of 250 events, which clash with each other.

I seem to recall a few years ago the Spanish players did not want to play Wimbledon owing to the grass. All seemed to indicate that "grass was for cows" and as aconsequence all pulled out en masse. I believe therefore that the excessive "red dirt" tournaments was a sop to the Spanish players.

Obviously, the main beneficiary continues to be Nadal, who doesn't play grass or hard court too well.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #55 on: May 16, 2013, 04:48 PM »
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Sorry Teejay, by strategic loss what I am really meaning to say is that given he was only defending 90 points, it really wouldn't have been worth the risk of pushing on to try and win as for example he did in the Miami Final and US Open final, or for that matter the AO final earlier this year. I wasn't in anyway suggesting or even inferring that he wasn't injured. It's just that in some situations it might be worth battling to the bitter end - this tournament or any clay court tournament isn't. He retired at the right point. Marcel G won't develop any grandiose ideas that he can beat Murray. Equally knowing he wasn't going to push on in the tournament he gave the win to his opponent so he could play the next round. If he had withdrawn after winning that wouldn't have happened. All credit to him.

Ah, I see, thanks for making that clear. When you put it like that I agree, and I apologise if I jumped the gun and got too defensive of Andy. I know you will understand when I say it was horrible to see him like that yesterday. I still want to give him a hug.

I said a few times myself that Andy stopped on his own terms. It really was as if he was saying to Granollers, 'You can have this one mate (although I still think it was a draw lol), but only because I'm not right. I'll get you next time'. As you say, the tournament gained really from the way Andy pulled out. It was well done on his part, and to my mind shows how sporting he is, and how much he cares about the sport.

Thanks again for the explanation, and my apologies again for jumping the gun.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #56 on: May 16, 2013, 05:02 PM »
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There is a lot of scaremongering going on just now in the media, they actually don’t really know that much more than us – they too are only going on the statements that have come from Andy during his press conference.  However, for any of them to question his integrity is very much out of order, he is one of the most genuine players on the circuit.  He never resorts to mind games or dirty tactics, he is also one of the most respected players (amongst his fellow players) but not very well respected by not very successful ex players turned pundits !!!! 

I think Judy Murray’s talk this morning on Radio 5 Live was very sensible in saying that no decisions can be made until after the results of a scan.  The only one thing that we all know on here is that Andy Murray will do everything in his physical capability to play Wimbledon because that is the slam that he has made no secrets about wanting to win the most.  Back problems are a thing of mystery but he will have access to the best medical team to give him the best advice etc.  On a personal note my husband has just had spinal surgery after falling off a roof at work and he is three weeks post op and is back on his feet, in no pain and getting better as each day goes on.  Now this was an operation not done privately, he is nearly twice Andy’s age and although relatively fit not super humanly fit so even if it is worst case scenario and surgery is required is does not automatically spell the end….


I nave always been a Murray Fan and will continue to be so and as I have often said these periods of complete despondency are often followed by a amazing and brilliant high.  So if he does miss RG I won’t be shedding any tears as it is my least favourite slam but so desperate for him to make Wimbledon but he has to do what is best for him and for the longevity of his career.



It's so annoying re the scaremongering and we'e the little people, left in the dark.  Funny - as we're such fans we think we should be privvy to Andy's every move - but we're not.

Here's hoping whatever ails him gets fixed soonish - if it can't be I won't be topping myself, just delighted to have been part of his journey.

That's good to hear about your husband, MM.

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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #57 on: May 16, 2013, 05:33 PM »
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Ah, I see, thanks for making that clear. When you put it like that I agree, and I apologise if I jumped the gun and got too defensive of Andy. I know you will understand when I say it was horrible to see him like that yesterday. I still want to give him a hug.

I said a few times myself that Andy stopped on his own terms.

Thanks again for the explanation, and my apologies again for jumping the gun.

You didn't come over as defensive at all. Re reading my post I realised I hadn't explained what I meant very clearly.

I hate watching him on clay, he always seems to look awkward and uncomfortable. It's why I enjoy re watching the Olympic Final so much. Although he was stressed by it, he was playing with such joy, and freedom. It was a pleasure to watch him. He had his eye firmly on that Gold Medal - he knew that if he played his best there was a good chance he could have it. I never feel like that watching him on clay.
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #58 on: May 16, 2013, 05:43 PM »
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- I think (or: I am afraid)  Andy already knows he will not play at Roland Garros.  I think he will take no risk and give the grass season the best chance...
- What do we know about his injury? Is it a muscle, or a bone? What is it?
- Somebody wrote that we can write a lot about his injury, but we don't know...Now Andy told that it did bother hom the last couple of weeks...but earlier he wrote on FB about the many practises and his wish to play well on RG. After the last lost matches he didn't tell about the injury wasn't he? Altough we could see some problems against Berdych. Lots of questions
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Re: Injured Murray retires in Rome « Reply #59 on: May 16, 2013, 05:54 PM »
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- I think (or: I am afraid)  Andy already knows he will not play at Roland Garros.  I think he will take no risk and give the grass season the best chance...
- What do we know about his injury? Is it a muscle, or a bone? What is it?
- Somebody wrote that we can write a lot about his injury, but we don't know...Now Andy told that it did bother hom the last couple of weeks...but earlier he wrote on FB about the many practises and his wish to play well on RG. After the last lost matches he didn't tell about the injury wasn't he? Altough we could see some problems against Berdych. Lots of questions
So, if he has an injury, then let it be known.  I'm not sure what he hopes to achieve by keeping it quiet.  He's maybe not injured - maybe clay just pisses him off - that I can understand. 
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