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Posted on: June 21, 2012, 07:34 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I Have just watched the first and second set of this match.  Some of Andy's play was amazing with incredible shots.  He seemed to be worried about something.  Perhaps it was all the talk about his injuries especially as Tommy Haas had just said what he said also he is trying to contain his frustration.  I think a bit too much.  I would like to see a bit of temper with himself.  I personally am not concerned about him this year although it would be nice for him to do well but I still think next year is when we shall see the difference.
I suspect he was worried about the back [after all he'd been advised to rest by the doctors after his cortisone injections] and of slipping as grass was slippery.
Posted on: June 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
Posted by: tamila
I Have just watched the first and second set of this match.  Some of Andy's play was amazing with incredible shots.  He seemed to be worried about something.  Perhaps it was all the talk about his injuries especially as Tommy Haas had just said what he said also he is trying to contain his frustration.  I think a bit too much.  I would like to see a bit of temper with himself.  I personally am not concerned about him this year although it would be nice for him to do well but I still think next year is when we shall see the difference.
Posted on: June 18, 2012, 01:50 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
Two conversations I overheard at Queens
Love hearing straight-from-the-horse's-mouth.. thanks for your interesting post, Ruthie.
Good job I wasn't there.. I'd have done a 'Nalby' on them.
Posted on: June 18, 2012, 01:47 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
I haven't missed the Queens Club tournament in over 30 years, but my friend and I said yesterday it's lost it's magic and I think that is due to it being such a corporate event, like Ruthie said wrong type of person there, I remember in the old days when there was a bomb alert walking over to the side of the Club with Goran and Pat Rafter.
Unfortunately Boodles is also a mainly corporate event not many tennis fan there.
In case I didn't say it before..  welcome jillypops, and thanks for your insider's view of this event.
Posted on: June 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
Posted by: Bevc
I'm the same Bev. I will support 'any' British athlete or team when up against 'any' other nation.......always! We may have our differences within Britain, but it's still 'us' against the rest of the world!

One of the things wrong with Britain - easier to to be negative than positive at times. Something I noticed moving countries. dontknow
Posted on: June 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
Posted by: Bevc
Yes I rather wish now I'd told that young woman that Andy has a legion of devoted fans who both appreciate his tennis and find him very appealing.  As for the guy with the mobile phone I think once I'd started I might have got arrested!

lol Maybe have some set responses, just in case. Or pretended to be on your phone and pass on the comments about obnoxious people at the tennis. Must admit that I've heard a few knockers at Andy's match but his tennis has always silenced them (lucky enough never to see him lose a match). Maybe I should go to the AO final Very Happy Good luck charm and all that lol
Posted on: June 18, 2012, 07:51 AM
Posted by: Caz
Never ceases to amaze me, how people can be so rude.  I think I would have been very tempted to tell them whack

Some of the home nations are playing rugby in the southern hemisphere atm, and though were any of them playing England, I would support England but I sincerely want them all to stuff their opponents (Ireland came so close last night).  My Kiwi boss was most surprised.  I said why?  He said because I was English.  I said that I was British but I came from England.    What the hell is wrong with some people - why can't they support the British teams/players?  Does it matter what part of the country they come from?  Not in my eyes and that's whats wrong with a few people.

Nice of you to bump into John Inverdale and glad you got the opportunity to pass on some good feedback.
I'm the same Bev. I will support 'any' British athlete or team when up against 'any' other nation.......always! We may have our differences within Britain, but it's still 'us' against the rest of the world!
Posted on: June 17, 2012, 12:51 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
Never ceases to amaze me, how people can be so rude.  I think I would have been very tempted to tell them whack

Some of the home nations are playing rugby in the southern hemisphere atm, and though were any of them playing England, I would support England but I sincerely want them all to stuff their opponents (Ireland came so close last night).  My Kiwi boss was most surprised.  I said why?  He said because I was English.  I said that I was British but I came from England.    What the hell is wrong with some people - why can't they support the British teams/players?  Does it matter what part of the country they come from?  Not in my eyes and that's whats wrong with a few people.

Nice of you to bump into John Inverdale and glad you got the opportunity to pass on some good feedback.
Yes I rather wish now I'd told that young woman that Andy has a legion of devoted fans who both appreciate his tennis and find him very appealing.  As for the guy with the mobile phone I think once I'd started I might have got arrested!
Posted on: June 17, 2012, 03:54 AM
Posted by: Bevc
I've not had a chance to read all the thread yet but thanks Hazel for what seems like a very fair match report.
I was there but had a ticket for 1 not centre court so couldn't watch the match.  I did watch part of it on the big screen but it was too depressing especially surrounded by people drinking champagne who couldn't give a toss [of which more in a moment].  Then tried to follow what was happening from the umpire which you can hear on court 1, which is offputting to say the least.  Disappointing that Andy lost.  But there was a story in yesterday's Standard that Jamie had said Andy had been advised not to play dubs at queens [as originally planned] because he's had cortisone injections and intensive physiotherapy and his doctors have advised rest.  So this could explain why he might not have appeared totally committed to the match and why his serve has gone backwards.  I hope the fact he's playing 2 exhibition matches at Boodles means he does feel it will be ok.  Btw does anyone know if boodles is televised at all?  Andy plays thursday and friday.

Two conversations I overheard at Queens epitomised the problems Andy has with the great English public.  First a couple of posh young women who were drinking in the cafe area during andy's match though they had seats for centre court.  They were supporting Mahut insofar as they were paying attention to the tennis.  One then said to the other 'well I suppose you have to give it to Murray that he has some decent shots but he's so [long pause] unappealing'.
Second conversation later: a guy on his mobile phone.  It had made his day that Andy had lost.  Then went on to say he's watched virtually no tennis as the free Rjoka was so good and after all tennis is just a ball going back and forth over the net and which would you prefer - free Rjoka or tennis; it's a not brainer.
I don't expect people to be fans of Andy just because he's British but   the glee with which the guy said it had made his day that Andy had lost was quite upsetting.  I glared at him but I don't suppose he noticed and I wasn't going to get into arguments!
Final report from Queens.  On thursday I bumped into John Inverdale coming off 1 Court so thanked him for the excellent ITV coverage of RG and said how many agree and so much better than Eurosport.  I have to say he's rather dishy in real life!

Never ceases to amaze me, how people can be so rude.  I think I would have been very tempted to tell them whack

Some of the home nations are playing rugby in the southern hemisphere atm, and though were any of them playing England, I would support England but I sincerely want them all to stuff their opponents (Ireland came so close last night).  My Kiwi boss was most surprised.  I said why?  He said because I was English.  I said that I was British but I came from England.    What the hell is wrong with some people - why can't they support the British teams/players?  Does it matter what part of the country they come from?  Not in my eyes and that's whats wrong with a few people.

Nice of you to bump into John Inverdale and glad you got the opportunity to pass on some good feedback.
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 07:54 PM
Posted by: Fiverings


Two conversations I overheard at Queens epitomised the problems Andy has with the great English public.  First a couple of posh young women who were drinking in the cafe area during andy's match though they had seats for centre court.  They were supporting Mahut insofar as they were paying attention to the tennis.  One then said to the other 'well I suppose you have to give it to Murray that he has some decent shots but he's so [long pause] unappealing'.
Second conversation later: a guy on his mobile phone.  It had made his day that Andy had lost.  Then went on to say he's watched virtually no tennis as the free Rjoka was so good and after all tennis is just a ball going back and forth over the net and which would you prefer - free Rjoka or tennis; it's a not brainer.



Says it all - he's not one of us  - thank god!!
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 07:03 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
If you ignore the so-called fans the nice thing about Queens is that it is still quite intimate off CC.  I was disappointed to get tickets for court 1 rather than CC but in fact I really liked it as you can be so close to the players. And I saw some good dubs on the unreserved courts inc Jamie and Bagi twice and Colin and Ross.  Oh and I saw Andy practising [now how could I have forgotten to tell you that!].  It was one court removed from where we were able to stand but it was still good to see him though I have to say I wasn't very optimistic for the match having watched the practice.  Something didn't seem quite right.
Couldn't help but remember this afternoon the wonderful match this day last year when Andy run rings around the other Andy and the latters' plaintive plea to keep things social.

Oh and welcome jillypops.
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 03:27 PM
Posted by: jillypops
I haven't missed the Queens Club tournament in over 30 years, but my friend and I said yesterday it's lost it's magic and I think that is due to it being such a corporate event, like Ruthie said wrong type of person there, I remember in the old days when there was a bomb alert walking over to the side of the Club with Goran and Pat Rafter.
Unfortunately Boodles is also a mainly corporate event not many tennis fan there.
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 03:01 PM
Posted by: backhandslice
I've not had a chance to read all the thread yet but thanks Hazel for what seems like a very fair match report.
I was there but had a ticket for 1 not centre court so couldn't watch the match.  I did watch part of it on the big screen but it was too depressing especially surrounded by people drinking champagne who couldn't give a toss [of which more in a moment].  Then tried to follow what was happening from the umpire which you can hear on court 1, which is offputting to say the least.  Disappointing that Andy lost.  But there was a story in yesterday's Standard that Jamie had said Andy had been advised not to play dubs at queens [as originally planned] because he's had cortisone injections and intensive physiotherapy and his doctors have advised rest.  So this could explain why he might not have appeared totally committed to the match and why his serve has gone backwards.  I hope the fact he's playing 2 exhibition matches at Boodles means he does feel it will be ok.  Btw does anyone know if boodles is televised at all?  Andy plays thursday and friday.

Two conversations I overheard at Queens epitomised the problems Andy has with the great English public.  First a couple of posh young women who were drinking in the cafe area during andy's match though they had seats for centre court.  They were supporting Mahut insofar as they were paying attention to the tennis.  One then said to the other 'well I suppose you have to give it to Murray that he has some decent shots but he's so [long pause] unappealing'.
Second conversation later: a guy on his mobile phone.  It had made his day that Andy had lost.  Then went on to say he's watched virtually no tennis as the free Rjoka was so good and after all tennis is just a ball going back and forth over the net and which would you prefer - free Rjoka or tennis; it's a not brainer.
I don't expect people to be fans of Andy just because he's British but   the glee with which the guy said it had made his day that Andy had lost was quite upsetting.  I glared at him but I don't suppose he noticed and I wasn't going to get into arguments!
Final report from Queens.  On thursday I bumped into John Inverdale coming off 1 Court so thanked him for the excellent ITV coverage of RG and said how many agree and so much better than Eurosport.  I have to say he's rather dishy in real life!
That type of  English support  disgusts me.  They aren't tennis fans   they are trolls   who live far too much up there arses.  Does one know when this set ends... does one know how to play tennis.. does one know that we are toffs.  bloody part time tennis fans.    hate them.  Oft  I have too many stories about them when I was at Wimbledon.  some funny. others not Very Happy Well there was this one time  when  I went to the toilet  then I came back  and had to wait outside CC to the change of ends  to come.. there was these  posh folk all dressed up and that..  shirt tie.. dresses    honestly  you would think they were going to a disco.. I was waiting  patiently with them.  Then all of a sudden the toffs drew daggers at me.  looking down at me  like I was some beggar or something.  I was wearing shorts and Tshirt   just like a normal person.. I was uncomfortable at this staring business .. then I went right out and said .. Have you got a problem?!!  take a picture it will last longer  lol   they just looked at me in disgust  and then we were allowed to go back into CC...  I soon realised afterwards that I had ice cream all down my top     LMAO.  w00t   Another time  this guy sitting next to me  was shouting  Cmon tim!!  I had my Scottish flag   .. it was big  so I Waved it in front of him...  I was like CMON ANDY!!! REALLY LOUD  so everyone in CC could hear me. 
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 11:45 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Sounds as though you had an interesting, if not happy day Ruthie! Just as well I wasn't with you, as I'd have been sorely tempted to kick Mr. Rioja on the shin......hard! What about John......did you get his number?  Whistle
Yes I wish I had done now Caz - kick his shin that is or smash his mobile. And as for John's number not quite that forward.  Embarassed
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
Posted by: Caz
Sounds as though you had an interesting, if not happy day Ruthie! Just as well I wasn't with you, as I'd have been sorely tempted to kick Mr. Rioja on the shin......hard! What about John......did you get his number?  Whistle
Posted on: June 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
I've not had a chance to read all the thread yet but thanks Hazel for what seems like a very fair match report.
I was there but had a ticket for 1 not centre court so couldn't watch the match.  I did watch part of it on the big screen but it was too depressing especially surrounded by people drinking champagne who couldn't give a toss [of which more in a moment].  Then tried to follow what was happening from the umpire which you can hear on court 1, which is offputting to say the least.  Disappointing that Andy lost.  But there was a story in yesterday's Standard that Jamie had said Andy had been advised not to play dubs at queens [as originally planned] because he's had cortisone injections and intensive physiotherapy and his doctors have advised rest.  So this could explain why he might not have appeared totally committed to the match and why his serve has gone backwards.  I hope the fact he's playing 2 exhibition matches at Boodles means he does feel it will be ok.  Btw does anyone know if boodles is televised at all?  Andy plays thursday and friday.

Two conversations I overheard at Queens epitomised the problems Andy has with the great English public.  First a couple of posh young women who were drinking in the cafe area during andy's match though they had seats for centre court.  They were supporting Mahut insofar as they were paying attention to the tennis.  One then said to the other 'well I suppose you have to give it to Murray that he has some decent shots but he's so [long pause] unappealing'.
Second conversation later: a guy on his mobile phone.  It had made his day that Andy had lost.  Then went on to say he's watched virtually no tennis as the free Rjoka was so good and after all tennis is just a ball going back and forth over the net and which would you prefer - free Rjoka or tennis; it's a not brainer.
I don't expect people to be fans of Andy just because he's British but   the glee with which the guy said it had made his day that Andy had lost was quite upsetting.  I glared at him but I don't suppose he noticed and I wasn't going to get into arguments!
Final report from Queens.  On thursday I bumped into John Inverdale coming off 1 Court so thanked him for the excellent ITV coverage of RG and said how many agree and so much better than Eurosport.  I have to say he's rather dishy in real life!
Posted on: June 15, 2012, 05:28 PM
Posted by: syc23
That's Nadal out too. Should he be looking for the rope to hang himself too?

Losing early in an ATP 250 is ok as long as you bring it in slams. Novak, Rafa, Roger and Andy will do just fine come Wimby. Have too wait and see what happens to Jo as a (suspected) broken finger might derail his Wimbledon campaign.
Posted on: June 15, 2012, 02:06 PM
Posted by: Tasmanian Devil
And Tsonga is a doubt for Wimbledon having suffered a suspected broken finger after slipping on the grass ...

Now if that had happened to Muzza, we really would have something to whinge about.  I am slightly disappointed by the result at Queens, but at the same time, I can see that it isn't the end of the world.  It's just a continuation of the weird, weird world of Andy Murray.
Posted on: June 15, 2012, 01:22 PM
Posted by: flowerpower
Late reaction, not been able to post earlier...

Our boy lost. And from all the lost matches in 2012 this one hurts most. Not because of a lost in the second round when first seeded but because the way he played. He played like frightened, frozen. No real weapon. And because of the lost, no possibility to get experience on grass.
But it's  no reason for thinking too negeative, he has been no 4 for several years. Change is the only way, in technique, in handling stress, in....And when you change things it usually it is a way from steps forward en backwards, he needs time and there's time !

Looking forward to Wimbledon. Andy is a GS player, the best of three sytem is in his benefit. Hoping the zero will turn to a one very fast (I got this picture on facebook)

Posted on: June 15, 2012, 10:55 AM
Posted by: Elena
Fiverings -"Incidentally, I was somewhat surprised to learn that the old boy network in tennis extended to the grounds staff"

I found this article about Halle

Once the roof became a reality, they tackled another enhancement: to offer a perfect lawn. “By introducing a transportable lawn on pallets, we succeeded in having an innovation unique throughout the world, which is unparalleled up to today,” said Ralf Weber.

The same rye grass used in The Championships lawns is rooted in Halle, and the individual responsible for court care and playability is Phil Thorn, whose father Jim was the well-respected lawn keeper at Church Road, SW19 for years. One thing Jim didn’t have to worry about was raising grass that could withstand the rigours of indoor play. Phil has creatively accomplished the task by developing a palate system to grow the grass behind the Tennis Club Blau-Weib, the tournament’s home. Then, just before the tournament begins, the massive slabs are fork-lifted into the 12,400 seat Gerry Weber Stadium.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-Roland-Garros-Wimbledon-2012/Halle-20th-Anniversary.aspx