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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #30 on: June 13, 2012, 08:09 PM »
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I was not able to watch except at the very start, so thanks Hazy for your report.  That was a disappointment for Andy I’m sure. Except for the 1st set it was very close. Mahut obviously had that extras bit of something today.
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #31 on: June 13, 2012, 08:10 PM »
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For what it's worth, I think Andy will surprise us at Wimbledon - he loves to feel like the underdog and it just so happens he tends to perform well at Wimbledon anyway.
I have the same feeling.
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #32 on: June 13, 2012, 08:11 PM »
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Hi, missed the match as I was out. Not surprised he lost, for some reason I had a bad feeling about this tournament. Sorry he lost, but a bit of stress free tennis won't hurt. The worse bit is reading the comments on here and in the press. Try to get things in perspective folks, kids are being massacred in Syria, abused on the streets of Britain, and people are worried out of their minds in Greece. Murray, lost a tennis match - not really in the same league. Perhaps his back is still not right, perhaps he is having personal problems. Who knows. The other top players don't often lose these sort of matches. I see them as automatons. People can chose to support them. If you follow Murray this sort of thing is what you can expect. Don't then complain because that is what happens. He has still achieved more than any other British tennis player in the last 70 years. Perhaps he is going to have a duff year and drop a few places in the rankings.  He still has a few years left in him. He is not exactly facing a challenge for Britains no 1 tennis player is he?  Leave the poor sod alone. Apologies if this offends anyone, but this is not the end of the world.

 Good posting!

Tsonga said much the same when he was interviewed at Roland Garros and asked why he always seems to enjoy his matches regardless of the result. It's good to keep things in perspective, though not always easy with Andy!
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #33 on: June 13, 2012, 08:11 PM »
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John - my advice to you is ... go and see your friends and do the things you want to do because centring your life around one tennis player, or anyone for that matter, is going to do you no good whatsoever.  If you have other interests to focus on then you might be surprised how quickly you get Andy into perspective.

Will you do that? hug

of course I will do that  lol  sorry being a bit too over dramatic here.. it was just this one time  oh well.  sh*t happens.  Lets do some maths H/W  that will take my mind off things Very Happy
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #34 on: June 13, 2012, 08:12 PM »
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John - my advice to you is ... go and see your friends and do the things you want to do because centring your life around one tennis player, or anyone for that matter, is going to do you no good whatsoever.  If you have other interests to focus on then you might be surprised how quickly you get Andy into perspective.

Will you do that? hug
Solid advice, Aileen, and I hope he takes it. I admit to being a bit gutted too - but MW is the place to let the disappointment hang out 'cos everyone understands how you feel. He'll bounce back and, if he doesn't, he's a multi millionaire before he's 26, that is success in on way and he's still a way to go before his career will end so here's time - at least, that's what I keep telling myself.
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #35 on: June 13, 2012, 08:22 PM »
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Wow some people need to calm down a bit lol. Too much talk of Murray losing it and will now have a slide down the rankings. Not going to happen. He's still quite a bit ahead in the points and a class apart from the other players behind him.

Yes it's a shame he lost, but Mahut played outstandingly well and deserved to win as he's a tricky opponent on any surface (he took a set off Federer at the French I believe and did well at the Aussie open). And lets face it, while Queens is a prestigious tournament it's not a grand slam. In terms of the overal tour it's a rinky dink 250 event on the lowest rung of the main ladder. Lots of other seeds are falling in the switch from clay to grass so no need to panic.

The way I look at things at the moment is that Murray needs to sort his head out a little bit. His game is comparable with the top three, his mental ability isn't but Lendl will help with that (as he's been their and done it). However, that's going to take a bit of time. You can't just undo Murray's 25 years of thinking / behaving one way in six months (and Lendl has been out of the game for 15 odd years so needs to learn too).

Also, Murray has several years ahead of him at the top of the game (if injuries stay away and he tackles a few of aforementioned mental demons) nobody is really coming through on the men's side. Milos Raonic has potential on fast courts but other than him there's nobody (sorry but I don't rate Tomic) because of the way the game is progressing (with more and more players making breakthroughs in their early to mid twenties rather than as teenage prodigies).

Murray will have his time yet. I still have faith. He'll get his slam. Whether it be this year or the next.

And if he doesn't well look at it this way; Murray is the next step in the progression of the British game. He's a step up in class (and an evolution) from the likes of Henman and Rusedski and what was before them. Murray will obviously win a lot more tournaments yet but now, in the future and when he retires junior players will look at his career and want to better it (hopefully they'll be an evolution of the way Murray plays and go on to win even more than he has). By the time Murray's finished playing he'll have done a lot for British tennis and for the sport as a whole whether he has a slam or not. In the end that'll be a damn well decent way to end a career if you ask me.
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #36 on: June 13, 2012, 08:45 PM »
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Wow some people need to calm down a bit lol. Too much talk of Murray losing it and will now have a slide down the rankings. Not going to happen. He's still quite a bit ahead in the points and a class apart from the other players behind him.

Ive just been contemplating this very point. I think Andy is going backwards. IMO Andy is getting closer to the likes of Ferrer, Berdych and Del Potro whereas he is now significantly behind Joker, Nadal and Fed. Lets be frank Andy was well beaten by Ferrer at the French. He was well beaten by Berdych at Monte Carlo.  And I rate Del Potro better than either of these 2. OK clay is Andys least favourite surface but Ferrer also beat Andy at the O2. Ferrer has also won more points than Andy this year.

To be honest Andy has been poor since after Dubai. Knocked out in his first match at Indian Wells. Yes he got to the final in Miami but he got 2 byes. Would he have beat Nadal in the semi? I seriously doubt it. Then no further than the quarters at any of the clay events. Now we have his loss today on grass to the world 65. He desperately needs a good Wimbledon but I can't see him getting past the semis.
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #37 on: June 13, 2012, 08:49 PM »
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Whilst I absolutely love this site, there are times such as today that it does my nut in!!   Whilst I am a stalwart Muzza fan I am not blind to his shortcomings.  But let's put things in perspective, Andy is obviously concentrating his efforts on the Grand Slams, yes this was bitterly dissapointing, but hey it's a tennis match which in the big scheme of things has little relevance to his overall plans.  I am sure his team will have a contingency plan in place.  His game is very much in transition just now and this cannot be easy to change a lifetime of habits and learn to play in a new style. He is obviously trying to find the right balance, yes his performance was lacklustre, error strewn but there were small bits of play that were high quality, so he has not lost it, class is permanent and form is temporary.

I think some posters on here need to exercise a bit of perspective, we cannot control Andy's destiny, only he and his team can do that, good job really cos if some of today's posters were controlling him, I fear they may, after today, put him out to grass and retirement!!!

I have this sneaky feeling that at some point this year, a surprise will be sprung and it may well come good. 

At the end of the day, it is part and parcel of being a Murray fan, the highs, the lows, right now things are low, but our boy is nae quitter and he will be doing everything to get himself right back up there.

Remember when Djoko was going through his period of transition, he was being written off by the media, pundits etc now look at him - ruling the tennis world.  Keep the faith, hey it may never happen but then again it might just and I for one am prepared to take my seat on the Murray Coaster, in the hope that I can witness that day.

Onwards and Upwards MW.....
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #38 on: June 13, 2012, 08:51 PM »
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Totally disappointed by this result and the fade in the 3rd set TB was veryworrying.  What was worse was that by the end of the 3rd Andy's body language did not inspire confidence.  He looked as though he simply didn't care. 

It seems to me that Andy is going backwards under Lendl, either that or the back problem is worse than we know.  If it's the latter then perhaps he should have given this tournament a miss.

Whatever, unless he can get some match practice in elsewhere before Wimbledon than I cannot realistically see any great results there.   
Aileen, I have to say I agree with you, apart from where you said that Andy looked as though he didn't care! To me, he looked as though he cared very much. He looked anxious, frustrated and a bit confused.....as though he couldn't understand why what he was doing wasn't working! In fact, the look on his face reminded me of the Ferrer match when he said "What is that?" when his ball kept going into the net! I know I said a while back, that I wished Mr Lendl would help him sort his head out and leave his game alone......I know bugger all about tennis, but maybe I was more right than I knew! I wasn't angry with him today.......I really felt for him!
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #39 on: June 13, 2012, 09:01 PM »
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Aileen, I have to say I agree with you, apart from where you said that Andy looked as though he didn't care! To me, he looked as though he cared very much. He looked anxious, frustrated and a bit confused.....as though he couldn't understand why what he was doing wasn't working! In fact, the look on his face reminded me of the Ferrer match when he said "What is that?" when his ball kept going into the net! I know I said a while back, that I wished Mr Lendl would help him sort his head out and leave his game alone......I know bugger all about tennis, but maybe I was more right than I knew! I wasn't angry with him today.......I really felt for him!
Well maybe I misread the signals - something was troubling by the end of the match.  He certainly didn't look happy and the way he was sliding around on the grass suggested it was a bit slippery, which is quite possible after all that rain.  Also as the BBC point out in their report, and we already know, Mahut had a match under his belt and was used to the conditions.  Apparently the practice courts are much drier. 

Anyway, according to Jonathan Overend (although I don't know if I agree with the last bit) -

"Nicolas Mahut was a very difficult first-round opponent for Andy Murray. The Frenchman is so comfortable on the grass with his serve-volley game. It used to mean so much that a good week at Queen's would set you up for Wimbledon. All England Champions would endlessly come from here, but that is less so these days. This is no time for panic stations. Andy Murray will still get more grass-court matches in before Wimbledon and, even though he would have dearly loved to have defended his title, I don't think he will be desparately disappointed."
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #40 on: June 13, 2012, 09:08 PM »
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of course I will do that  lol  sorry being a bit too over dramatic here.. it was just this one time  oh well.  sh*t happens.  Lets do some maths H/W  that will take my mind off things Very Happy
Hey John, don't worry about being 'a bit too over dramatic'! We 'all' do it from time to time.......I should know.......I'm an expert!  Very Happy  It's all part and parcel of being a Murray fan.  We just have to let off steam every now and then. Aileen is giving you good advice and when you said '**** happens!", that's exactly the right attitude. Enjoy Andy by all means, but at your age, there are lots of other things to enjoy as well. Just make the most of everything sweetie, including Andy!  hug
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #41 on: June 13, 2012, 09:08 PM »
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Whilst I absolutely love this site, there are times such as today that it does my nut in!!   Whilst I am a stalwart Muzza fan I am not blind to his shortcomings.  But let's put things in perspective, Andy is obviously concentrating his efforts on the Grand Slams, yes this was bitterly dissapointing, but hey it's a tennis match which in the big scheme of things has little relevance to his overall plans.  I am sure his team will have a contingency plan in place.  His game is very much in transition just now and this cannot be easy to change a lifetime of habits and learn to play in a new style. He is obviously trying to find the right balance, yes his performance was lacklustre, error strewn but there were small bits of play that were high quality, so he has not lost it, class is permanent and form is temporary.

I think some posters on here need to exercise a bit of perspective, we cannot control Andy's destiny, only he and his team can do that, good job really cos if some of today's posters were controlling him, I fear they may, after today, put him out to grass and retirement!!!

I have this sneaky feeling that at some point this year, a surprise will be sprung and it may well come good. 

At the end of the day, it is part and parcel of being a Murray fan, the highs, the lows, right now things are low, but our boy is nae quitter and he will be doing everything to get himself right back up there.

Remember when Djoko was going through his period of transition, he was being written off by the media, pundits etc now look at him - ruling the tennis world.  Keep the faith, hey it may never happen but then again it might just and I for one am prepared to take my seat on the Murray Coaster, in the hope that I can witness that day.

Onwards and Upwards MW.....

 Good posting!

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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #42 on: June 13, 2012, 09:27 PM »
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I didnt see the match...soo glad i didnt! But lets face it Murray dosen't give a toss about Queens tbh, how many 250's do Rafa, and Nole bother winning these days? They get their appearance fee, and then they tank out to lower ranked players and save their energy for bigger events.

Im not saying Andy wanted to lose 1st match of Queens---I know he didnt he would have wanted to get 2-3 good wins under his belt, perhaps win it, get some confidence but, seeing as he didnt he will not lose sleep over it.  A dissapointing loss like this makes him less favoured for Wimbledon and there will b less pressure on him now than if he had made Sfs at RG and won Queens....could be a blessing in disguise?...OR could be a sign of things to come..only God knows right? But we keep supporting regardless!
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #43 on: June 13, 2012, 09:37 PM »
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of course I will do that  lol  sorry being a bit too over dramatic here.. it was just this one time  oh well.  sh*t happens.  Lets do some maths H/W  that will take my mind off things Very Happy
John....Don't worry about being 'a bit too over dramatic'......We 'all' do it from time to time. In fact, letting off steam is part an parcel of being a Murray fan....and I should know! I'm an expert!  Very Happy However, Aileen is giving you good advice! At your age, there are lots of things to enjoy........'**** happens', is exactly the right attitude! Make the most of it all.....including Andy!  hug
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Re: Mahut storms past Murray « Reply #44 on: June 13, 2012, 09:49 PM »
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It occurs to me that this loss could be a blessing in disguise for Andy.  Given the weather forecast for the next few days, this tournament looks set to continue to be seriously rain-interrupted.  If nothing else at least Andy knows exactly where he is - no hanging around wondering when and if he'll be able to play - which will leave him free to focus on training or further practice.
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