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Posted on: July 30, 2012, 07:17 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
I haven't seen Jamie play well for a long time now. He needs to find a permanent doubles partner and stick with him. Wasn't he dropped from the Davis Cup squad ages ago?
Would've liked to see Andy with Marray... Murray and Marray - what a combo...Wink
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 02:02 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I loved Andy at the net sj.  He was like a brick wall at times.  I so wish he'd draw on those skills more in his singles matches.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 01:25 PM
Posted by: scotjules

And those who have suggested that Andy tanked it deliberately when it was he who was carrying Jamie and so clearly desperately wanted to win, even if it wasn't in his own interests in the singles, are beneath contempt. They clearly don't understand how much his family means to Andy.

Agree with everything above. I only saw the 3rd set but the difference between Andy and Jamie's serving was very marked. Felt terrible for Jamie that he just couldn't hold when it really mattered. Was impressed watching Andy at the net.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I did Ruthie.  What a pity that didn't rub off on Jamie a tad.  C'est la vie. 
I know Bev. Jamie looked tense for much of the time I thought.
 And those who have suggested that Andy tanked it deliberately when it was he who was carrying Jamie and so clearly desperately wanted to win, even if it wasn't in his own interests in the singles, are beneath contempt. They clearly don't understand how much his family means to Andy.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 12:45 PM
Posted by: Bevc
I did Ruthie.  What a pity that didn't rub off on Jamie a tad.  C'est la vie. 
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 12:40 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
tj the bit I've read in the media has emphasised what a good dubs pair the Austrians are so no recriminations and of course the media is more focused on the cycling where we'd been led to expect that a gold medal was a shoe-in.
Did anyone else notice the wonderful leap for joy Andy made after his winning shot which won the break in the 3rd round?  I so love it when he does that as it shows how much it means to him and looks like an expression of sheer joy and exuberance.  Such a shame they couldn't capitalise on the break.
And Alis I agree with your remarks about Jamie.  I suspect if he had a regular dubs partner and was higher in the rankings so that he had more experience of pressure occasions he'd be less nervous playing with Andy.  I also agree that it showed Andy in such a good light.  Not a hint of recrimination or disappointment with his brother even though he was clearly disappointed not to win.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 11:38 AM
Posted by: Bevc
Morning, all. Off to Wimbledon for today's Olympics tennis. Sadly only on Court 1, where it's scheduled to rain during the day. Therefore, most unlikely that we (the boss and me) will have the delight of watching Andy. However, will try and purchase tickets for CC, but probably impossible.

Gutted for Andy and Jamie yesterday. JM was extremely nervous, but AM never rebuked him. Such a sportsman and loving brother! Dids record the matcfh, but have yet to watch it all. Will do later.

Have fun!  Rain to clear later.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 10:44 AM
Posted by: teejay1
I don't know but I just get the feeling that Jamie is always much more nervous when he's playing with Andy.  I think he feels the pressure of playing with a sibling who is better than he is and is in constant fear of letting Andy down.  Whereas Andy wants so much to win for Jamie - difficult one.

Hi Alis and all,

I think this is spot on. I think Jamie's relative lack of experience in the big situations showed as well. I was just watching on TV, but it was like a Davis Cup tie, only more so, if that makes sense. The crowd were just amazing.

I loved the way Andy didn't rebuke or blame Jamie in any sense for the loss. Andy's performance yesterday, both on the court and in the interview, was excellent. I don't know about anyone else, but it feels to me rather like we're watching Andy grow up and develop in front of our very eyes. It's so wonderful to see it.

The thing that struck me about Andy as well yesterday is that I swear he looks taller when he is playing well. I can't say I've noticed it before, maybe I've been too busy screaming and I can't at the moment, so I'm having to watch intently instead, but Andy looked every inch the part. His serving was a sight to behold.

The annoying thing about them going out in the doubles so early is that it will be portrayed as a failure by our media. Do these people know nothing about the sport?
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 08:56 AM
Posted by: OldScotSupport
Morning, all. Off to Wimbledon for today's Olympics tennis. Sadly only on Court 1, where it's scheduled to rain during the day. Therefore, most unlikely that we (the boss and me) will have the delight of watching Andy. However, will try and purchase tickets for CC, but probably impossible.

Gutted for Andy and Jamie yesterday. JM was extremely nervous, but AM never rebuked him. Such a sportsman and loving brother! Dids record the matcfh, but have yet to watch it all. Will do later.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 12:39 AM
Posted by: Bevc
"It was tough. We played well," said Andy Murray. "We were a break up twice in the third set. We had enough chances to win the match, but each time we got the break we got broken straight back, so it was tough."

Asked about the raucous crowd, he added: "They did a great job. They were really loud from the first point to the last.

"They helped a lot. You don't always get that for doubles matches and it was a really nice atmosphere to play in. I hope they enjoyed the match."

The world number four must now turn his attention to the singles and an opening match against Switzerland's Stanislas Wawrinka on Centre Court on Sunday.
Posted on: July 29, 2012, 12:14 AM
Posted by: Aileen
I don't know but I just get the feeling that Jamie is always much more nervous when he's playing with Andy.  I think he feels the pressure of playing with a sibling who is better than he is and is in constant fear of letting Andy down.  Whereas Andy wants so much to win for Jamie - difficult one.
Good point Alis.  Jamie can play a great deal better than he did today, and I admit he made me feel nervous.  I can't believe it helped knowing that, in some ways, the pressure was on him because Andy wanted so much for them to do well.  Maybe the occasion got to him too.  Andy is used to handling pressure at a top level, Jamie isn't.
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 11:26 PM
Posted by: Iluvandy
I don't know but I just get the feeling that Jamie is always much more nervous when he's playing with Andy.  I think he feels the pressure of playing with a sibling who is better than he is and is in constant fear of letting Andy down.  Whereas Andy wants so much to win for Jamie - difficult one.

I think you are exactly right Alis.    They try so hard  for each other and we certainly won't hear Andy blaming his partner for the loss.    Once again when I watched

Andy I was thinking what a fine young man he is.    A true sportsman.
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 10:37 PM
Posted by: Alis
I don't know but I just get the feeling that Jamie is always much more nervous when he's playing with Andy.  I think he feels the pressure of playing with a sibling who is better than he is and is in constant fear of letting Andy down.  Whereas Andy wants so much to win for Jamie - difficult one.
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 09:56 PM
Posted by: ChrisMac
Been out since noon and and then went for a meal, was looking at my watch and new that the boys were playing, and so wishing them well. Got home around 9pm, checked the teletext and was gutted that they got beat, but after reading the above comments, good to read that Andy was playing well, but as someone said he could not win on his own.
Then again new both the boys had to play well as Melzer/peya are high ranking doubles players. Smile C'Mon Andy, sending positive vibes your way, please pick up!!!
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 09:54 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
[email protected] yes it was great to hear the crowd and on bbc website Andy is quoted as being very appreciative of them.  Henman said he can't remember such crowd support for a 1st round dubs match.  Do hope Andy gets similar support tomorrow - I'm sure he will though of course those Swiss fans do travel.
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 09:21 PM
Posted by: caroline
Shame for Andy and Jamie,but Andy played really well so sould not feel bad about losing.The match could have gone either way,shame Jamies serve let him down when he needed it most.Onwards and upwards for Andy now he only has the singles to concentrate on.If he'd been playing bad it might have made the match tomorrow tougher,but because he played so well im expecting a good match and a straight sets WIN.Hope im right,oh just had a money spider run right down my arm,how weird didnt kill it,made a wish,hope Andy wins tomorrow and goes on to win GOLD.GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS AS ALWAYS ANDY
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
Posted by: backhandslice
Andy played amazing!!!  Smile  I don't understand Jamie's logic with his serving and return.  When he serves  he doesn't hit it fast enough and more importantly he never goes for the corners often enough.  His serve is too weak.  Its just like "hit me and smother me"   His return.  he just lobs it giving the player at the net an advantage.  SMASH.  It was awful tbh. Seriously I felt like I could hit the ball faster than Jamie.  I hit like 10 aces this morning  I know that's a whole different kettle of fish  but cmon.  ugh Gutted isn't even the word to describe me at the moment.  Andy served brilliantly.  Bodes well for tomorrow.  Bring on Stan!!
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 08:29 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Hi All,

What a disappointment. I feel sorry for Jamie, I really do. I don't know about any of you, but I could almost sense the apprehension coming off him every time he stepped up to serve. It made me nervous just watching him. I was proud of Andy for being so supportive of Jamie though, praising him when it went well, supporting him when it wasn't so good. They must both be so disappointed.

I'd like to see Jamie in the mixed now, but I hope Andy focuses everything on the singles. I was so impressed with him today. He looked positive and served really well. If he could carry that through to the singles it would be fantastic. It might sound terrible, but in a way Andy probably needs to be a little selfish now, if that is the right word. He will be disappointed, I'm sure of that, but he still has the singles to play, where he has a chance of doing so well. He needs to focus on that now, and I'm sure he will.

Weren't the crowd brilliant through the match? It was like watching Davis Cup! Love it! Can't wait to hear them for Andy tomorrow!
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 08:19 PM
Posted by: janetx
Awww, too bad. Andy needs to focus fully on singles now!
Posted on: July 28, 2012, 07:38 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
Ditto ie I agree and don't usually! 
Andy took a while to get into his serve but then came up with big ones just when they needed them. And he was great at the net most of the time.  I hope this gives him the confidence to come to the net more and use his wonderful hand skills there.
But can't help but feel sorry for Jamie as he will know only too well that he was the weaker link and however much Andy encouraged him he couldn't rise to his level and the Austrians took advantage of that.  Perhaps Jamie will get a wild card for the mixed dubs and do better there leaving Andy to focus on the singles, which ultimately is what really matters although I know he really really wanted to get a medal with his brother.