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Posted on: March 23, 2014, 06:51 PM
Posted by: Elena
Good to see Ivan watching Andy's match today, and Andy's message on the camera  "Relax, all is good".
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 07:19 PM
Posted by: angiebabez
Bet she loved that!  Very Happy

Aye.. w00t
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
Posted by: Elly
She was laughing when she said it. Said she will miss his cheeky humour...he used to call her granny  Very Happy
Bet she loved that!  Very Happy
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 07:17 PM
Posted by: angiebabez
'All in mourning'?  That's a bit dramatic!  It's almost like saying Lendl is the sum of what Andy's become.  Yes, he's helped loads, but Andy's the one on Court with the ability to win!

She was laughing when she said it. Said she will miss his cheeky humour...he used to call her granny  Very Happy
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 07:06 PM
Posted by: Elly
Judy just been on bbc scotland saying how they are all in mourning, they will all miss him dearly Frown
'All in mourning'?  That's a bit dramatic!  It's almost like saying Lendl is the sum of what Andy's become.  Yes, he's helped loads, but Andy's the one on Court with the ability to win!
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 06:48 PM
Posted by: angiebabez
Judy just been on bbc scotland saying how they are all in mourning, they will all miss him dearly Frown
Posted on: March 21, 2014, 05:57 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Shocked, yes. Worried, no. In fact I think this might even be the right time for them to split.

Lendl was the perfect appointment two years ago and has served his purpose of instilling that little bit extra mental fortitude and belief that has elevated Murray from the nearly man of the sport to one of the greats. The fact that Andy is now in a different phase of his career makes this as good a time as any to part ways. Not only will Andy possibly benefit from a change up or perhaps more contact time with a new coach to help with his post-op struggles for form but the right person could drive Murray to deliver further success - something which some might argue Lendl's interest in had somewhat plateaued as Andy's transformation under his tutelage will always be viewed as a successful 'project'.

Remember Lendl only tentatively accepted this foray into coaching and his comments re the split seem to echo this sentiment that he now wishes to focus on other little projects of his. Only time will tell if this was a bad outcome for Andy but he has split from many a coach before and come out the other side smelling of roses so let's just see what happens.....
I agree Hamish.  Having got over the initial shock of hearing about this split, which was finally discussed and agreed between Murray and Lendl when they met for dinner last Saturday, although Andy said he'd been aware for a while that it wasn't an impossibility (and that uncertainty may well have impacted on his game coming as it did at a time when he was feeling a bit vulnerable), I now feel quite optimistic about it.  Not only is Andy in a very good place after his achievements of winning Olympic gold, his first Slam and the Holy Grail of tennis, Wimbledon, but is now able to play pain free for the first time in two years, so I see this split as being the best time for Andy to move on.  I do believe that things happen for a purpose, and that that purpose isn't always clear at the time, so whilst Andy maybe doesn't see this as positive right now, I think he will do, and that sooner rather than later.  Fortunately after the DC he has a four week break by the end of which hopefully the dust will have settled and his mind clearer.
Posted on: March 20, 2014, 03:59 PM
Posted by: counter_ puncher
Before Lendl was hired as Andy's coach, he had turned his back to professional tennis, so they said. I see it the same way as Ruthie: Lendl has begun to enjoy being active on court again, something Andy is to "blame" for. And in the end, it was a business relationship where both partners have to agree to continue the partnership. As it worked so perfectly, we believed it to be more than that. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
Posted on: March 20, 2014, 11:54 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Was texted the news yesterday - was in shock for much of the rest of the day.  But some (not I) on MW did see it coming as I remember someone speculating when Lendl said he'd not watched Andy's match against Dimitrov and when he was rather ambiguous in his response to a question about how long he and Andy would be together when interviewed on World Tennis Day.
My reading of it is that ironically Andy has rekindled Ivan's interest in playing tennis himself and he wants to be out there on court enjoying the game and getting the applause for himself. This together with his other 'projects' means he can't give Andy the time Andy wants from his main coach.  It's clear they've been talking about this for a while and it may even be that the gap after the op helped crystalise Ivan's thoughts on the matter.  But the timing sucks given that Andy is lacking confidence right now.
And I'm afraid I don't buy the theory he'll now play more lesser tournaments.  According to today's press, he has decided not to play Portugal after all and so won't play any competitive tennis between DC and the clay masters, which does seem odd to me given he needs to regain match confidence.  But I guess we have to trust his judgement and he clearly feels an intensive training block (that he wasn't able to do properly off season because of the op) is what he needs more right now.
Posted on: March 20, 2014, 12:28 AM
Posted by: teejay1
I beg to differ with the idea that Andy is a rudderless ship without Lendl. Andy won the Olympic gold without Lendl. He's had DC success without Lendl. He's won other tournaments without Lendl.

Lendl has been brilliant for Andy, no doubt about it, but let's remember one detail. Out on the court Andy, like any other player, is on his own. A coach can only do so much, the rest is down to the player. Andy's success over the last couple of years has been largely down to Andy, and my guess is that Lendl would be the first to say so.

I still don't really see a big issue with the timing of this announcement. If this had been announced just as Andy was starting his defence of Wimbledon I might have been the first to offer to punch Lendl. The timing in that situation would have been awful, because Andy's profile is always so high at that point in the year. As it stands, the media and the people within the game who are bound to have an opinion have got some time now to debate the thing to death from every angle before something else gets their attention. In the meantime Andy just needs to keep his head down and focus on the job in hand, which is getting his form back.
Posted on: March 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
Posted by: teejay1
You're not on here often, but I just love it when you are as you often echo what I want to say.  hug

I second that. Brilliant to see someone being both realistic and positive and exchanging views in a way that is always constructive and enjoyable to read.
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 11:56 PM
Posted by: nestingus
I'm actually not that surprised, something has felt wrong in the last few weeks. Lendl has gone a bit quiet, and when he did come out in the press recently he seemed pretty against the idea of Andy playing Davis Cup. I do agree with above posts about Andy concentrating too much on big events, there's now too many quality guys to not take everything seriously. I think it's a good time to split before things get stale. I'm excited about the change and hopefully it can galvanise Andy again!
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 10:29 PM
Posted by: Elly
Thanks Elly, glad to be able to articulate your thoughts. You obviously know your stuff  Whistle

I know, can't believe that was only my 200th post and I've been a member for almost 10 years! I think they call that a 'lurker'....
Hehe - I just bimble along, talking shite.   Wish there were more lurkers like you!
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 10:26 PM
Posted by: Hamish McHamish
You're not on here often, but I just love it when you are as you often echo what I want to say.  hug

Thanks Elly, glad to be able to articulate your thoughts. You obviously know your stuff  Whistle

I know, can't believe that was only my 200th post and I've been a member for almost 10 years! I think they call that a 'lurker'....
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 10:12 PM
Posted by: Elly
Shocked, yes. Worried, no. In fact I think this might even be the right time for them to split.

Lendl was the perfect appointment two years ago and has served his purpose of instilling that little bit extra mental fortitude and belief that has elevated Murray from the nearly man of the sport to one of the greats. The fact that Andy is now in a different phase of his career makes this as good a time as any to part ways. Not only will Andy possibly benefit from a change up or perhaps more contact time with a new coach to help with his post-op struggles for form but the right person could drive Murray to deliver further success - something which some might argue Lendl's interest in had somewhat plateaued as Andy's transformation under his tutelage will always be viewed as a successful 'project'.

Remember Lendl only tentatively accepted this foray into coaching and his comments re the split seem to echo this sentiment that he now wishes to focus on other little projects of his. Only time will tell if this was a bad outcome for Andy but he has split for many a coach before and come out the other side smelling of roses so let's just see what happens.....


You're not on here often, but I just love it when you are as you often echo what I want to say.  hug
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 10:08 PM
Posted by: Hamish McHamish
Shocked, yes. Worried, no. In fact I think this might even be the right time for them to split.

Lendl was the perfect appointment two years ago and has served his purpose of instilling that little bit extra mental fortitude and belief that has elevated Murray from the nearly man of the sport to one of the greats. The fact that Andy is now in a different phase of his career makes this as good a time as any to part ways. Not only will Andy possibly benefit from a change up or perhaps more contact time with a new coach to help with his post-op struggles for form but the right person could drive Murray to deliver further success - something which some might argue Lendl's interest in had somewhat plateaued as Andy's transformation under his tutelage will always be viewed as a successful 'project'.

Remember Lendl only tentatively accepted this foray into coaching and his comments re the split seem to echo this sentiment that he now wishes to focus on other little projects of his. Only time will tell if this was a bad outcome for Andy but he has split from many a coach before and come out the other side smelling of roses so let's just see what happens.....

Posted on: March 19, 2014, 09:54 PM
Posted by: lashurst
Somehow I felt confident that Andy would soon be back to something resembling his former form, but with Lendl not therhre, I wonder about whether that confidence Ivan seemed to inspire in him will return so easily. All of a sudden he's vulnerable again. Hope desperately that I'm wrong. It was a bit sudden seemingly. Let's hope it's another step forward even if I don't see it like that at the moment.
I hope you're wrong too Jan.

  I think Andy is more resilient than to let this knock him down. Afterall, He's no blade of parsley in the wind.
 The parting of the ways has not happened overnight for them, its just so sudden for us.
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 09:50 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Maybe Andy might start going for the lower tournaments now as Lendl clearly had Andy focusing over the Slams for the two years they were together.
Good point Gangsta. yes  I never did think that was a wise idea, although fortunately for Andy it worked.  However now that he's achieved his goals, it does beg the question, what next?  Certainly becoming #1 any time soon is out of the question.


This will be a seven day wonder - then hopefully people will move on.  Can't be easy for Andy, though, and it explains so much. 
I agree but think it'll be more than a seven day wonder.  Can you imagine the reaction not only on here but in the media if he bombs in Miami?  It's struck me for a long time that he's a bit of a rudderless ship when Lendl isn't around, and his present lack of confidence isn't going to be helped either.  I admit to being worried about the psychological effect this is going to have on him because he looked up to and respected Lendl so much as well as sharing some of his more positive character traits, and they did seem to get on extremely well together.

My gut feeling is that it was Lendl who walked because why would Andy ditch him at a time he's most needed?  Did Lendl perhaps fall out of love with his team, or he with them?  Whatever he certainly picked the worst possible time to do so, and that makes me feel rather angry but then again there's no point in continuing with a set-up you feel uncomfortable with because that does nobody any good.  Anyway we aren't ever likely to find out the truth, unless somebody very reliable leaks something, but that won't stop endless speculation and heaven forbid it goes on for as long as it did after Maclagan went, although I doubt it will.  Perhaps it's just as well though that Andy will have a 3 or 4 week break between the DC and his next tournament, depending on whether it's the Portugal Open or Madrid, to give things a chance to settle down a bit.
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 07:15 PM
Posted by: janscribe
Somehow I felt confident that Andy would soon be back to something resembling his former form, but with Lendl not there, I wonder about whether that confidence Ivan seemed to inspire in him will return so easily. All of a sudden he's vulnerable again. Hope desperately that I'm wrong. It was a bit sudden seemingly. Let's hope it's another step forward even if I don't see it like that at the moment.
Posted on: March 19, 2014, 07:01 PM
Posted by: Connor
Maybe Andy might start going for the lower tournaments now as Lendl clearly had Andy focusing over the Slams for the two years they were together.