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Posted on: January 05, 2013, 11:58 PM New message
Posted by: Aileen
I am not against people getting honours but the awards are so out of date. There is no British Empire any more.
Sorry, LB - we'll have to live with the current system until the Queen dies because she's vowed not to change it despite the demise of the Empire decades ago.  I reckon she's hanging on to what she can whilst she's still alive because so many other archaic royal traditions have either gone or are in danger of going.
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 07:32 PM New message
Posted by: *Sparkle*
If they want a system of honours it should be for ordinary people who have served the community and for services to sport.
Which is exactly what we've got.

I do read about the "ordinary people" getting awards, but only the local ones in my local paper.  The celebrity names make up a tiny proportion of those getting awards in any normal year, and even in Olympic year, with all gold medalists getting at least an MBE, I can't see it being much different.  Not least because most people wouldn't be able to recognise half of the rowers or cyclists who got a single gold as part of a team.  Putting aside the celebs, and even the scientists and other high flyers, there are thousands of "ordinary" people awarded each year.  The biggest stumbling block is that someone has to do all the nomination paperwork, which most folk wouldn't think to do.  If you are famous, or are doing something with a precedent (Olympic medalist) then it seems to be more automatic.

I imagine it was the LTA that nominated Tim for his award, and they may have done for Andy too, if he wasn't already being considered by virtue of the Olympics.

I saw one person on twitter trying to create controversy because Andy had got an OBE and Farah the "lower CBE", and the only difference between them was the colour of their skin.  I'd have loved to have been in the room when someone told her it was the other way around!   A few people thought that any kind of honour meant Andy would become a Sir.  The fact is, most folk don't really understand it.  They know it's an honour and that's about it.

I'm not against updating the system, especially the names, but being old, historic and a bit confusingly out of date is part of the charm and sets it apart from winning a GQ or Cosmopolitan Award (for turning up).
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 01:50 PM New message
Posted by: teejay1
I am not against people getting honours but the awards are so out of date. There is no British Empire any more. If they want a system of honours it should be for ordinary people who have served the community and for services to sport.

That is just my point. People who 'serve the community' do get them. They can be nominated by 'normal' people.

I take your point about the names of some of the honours, but they came about when there was an empire, so blame history. There was some talk a few years back of doing away with the O.B.E etc, but I think the issue stalled because no one could decide what to replace it with. Personally I don't think it needs replacing. Most people don't have the foggiest idea what O.B.E, let alone any of the others, stands for anyway, or what it signifies.
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 01:38 PM New message
Posted by: Littlebuddha
I am not against people getting honours but the awards are so out of date. There is no British Empire any more. If they want a system of honours it should be for ordinary people who have served the community and for services to sport.
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 01:24 PM New message
Posted by: teejay1
I still don't understand why anyone would take issue with the honours system, not now. In the past, far enough. I think it's fair to say that in the past you could see people receiving honours for what amounts to nothing, but now anyone can nominate a person to receive an honour, so I don't understand any quibble about 'normal' people not getting them. Sure, the publicity is always around the big names who get them, but frankly that is because 'normal' people don't sell newspapers. I mean, what would you rather read about, the local lollipop lady you wouldn't know from Adam getting a C.B.E. or an Olympic Gold medalist getting the same award?

Sports, the arts, whatever, all enrich our lives. More than that though, someone like Andy, as we all know, has worked for years to be in the position to win majors. People might watch one match, the odd big final, but what they have not seen is the years of dedication that has gone in to that level of performance. Also, Andy, for example, plays across the world representing our country, even if he is technically playing for himself, so why shouldn't his country honour what he has done?

Of course, for Andy, like any other sportsman, it's the titles that matter the most. That clearly goes without saying. Still, I think it's good that the country honours and respects hard work and acheivement.
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 12:51 PM New message
Posted by: George183
What about Brisbane. He’s just beaten Millman in 3 sets, but there’s no live video coverage although ESPN is covering the quarters. Thank Christ!!!
Posted on: January 03, 2013, 10:13 AM New message
Posted by: *Sparkle*
IMO, the fact that 'stars' get them is part of what makes them more interesting and appreciated when the hard working members of the community are also awarded them.  It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it works.  My old boss had some kind of award that she claimed was equivalent to an MBE from a professional body, but no-one actually took it seriously because we didn't know anyone else who had one.

It's also worth remembering that Andy's award is for services to tennis, while the cyclists get it for services to cycling, and the athletes get it for services to athletics.  No-one should be fooled into thinking they've got it for services to saving lives.  There is some explanation for the different levels and it's to do with a contribution to society and/or the standing of the country.  Winning medals at the Olympics and major international sporting events counts towards that, as do the scientists who make major breakthroughs and even the odd pop star or actor.  Sport and culture may seem frivolous by comparison to science and coal-face community work, but these different fields all enrich our lives.

The trick is not to think of the awards as more than they actually are, but IMO, I have no issue with a formal "well done" from the state, even if it is a bit hap-hazard sometimes.   Most countries have an honours system, so I'm not sure why people act as if we're the only ones.  We're the only ones with BE in the name, but it's just a name.  They could change the titles, but that's not making any actual difference.  Some of the foreign titles are equally ridiculous sounding, but that's part of the fun.

I remember the first time I worked with someone with a CBE, and I spent the whole day imagining him on a horse, commanding people, which made me smile.  In reality, he was just a very bright, very capable scientist working for the government who had contributed considerably to health policy for not nearly as much pay as he'd have got in the private sector.

I'm with Rachie though.  It's a nice thing, but nothing to get worked up about.  Andy is more focused on training, which is exactly how it should be.   It's not as if being awarded the OBE to match Tim Henman means that people think he's just now reached the same level as him.
Posted on: January 02, 2013, 06:47 PM New message
Posted by: Rachie
I'm not too bothered by this honours nonsence anyone can get one these days its not as unique and special as perhaps it once was.

Congrats to Andy i do think he deserves the recognition he is getting, although you can't help feel if he was different ( more extraverted, attention-seeking, english, or supremely goodlooking) he'd be getting more. 

Were not bothered though are we? We would rather Andy trains hard, maintains his focus and has a phenomenal 2013.

Posted on: January 02, 2013, 06:01 PM New message
Posted by: David
OBE? Where's the Empire?

These joke awards need to be radically changed and only people really deserving should get them...like those that work for the community who are not known and not just because they can hold a tennis racquet or ride a bicycle.  These 'stars' are amply rewarded financially and with their 'likes' on Facebook!
Posted on: January 02, 2013, 04:59 PM New message
Posted by: Ruthie
Mark Steel in a piece sending up the honours today:
'Instead of an OBE, AM should be made a Ludicrously Unappreciated Marvel'   yay
From this and earlier pieces Steel is clearly a fan -another candidate for honorary membership of MW?
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 04:43 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
Who cares. yawn There will always be detractors.

It says more about the person when they feel a need to bring others down.

I'm sure Andy doesn't give a toss.
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 04:37 PM
Posted by: lashurst
Teejay1: "To my mind (Wiggins) he's basically Federer on a bike."  roflmao

Yes, I think I see the likeness. I've nothing against Wiggins, he's an eccentric type and popular with many. Its a good think we dont all go for the same types.

Reading the postings here, MW may become known as the Anti-Wiggan Forum if we're not careful!

Andy Murray OBE, is totally "my type". wub
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 04:29 PM
Posted by: lashurst
I was annoyed when I read this disrespectful comment in Sunday Times - John Aizlewood - an article about  2012 heroes which had Andy near the end of the list after some English cricketers and Neil Lennon!

"Andy Murray : destined to have the demeanour of a sulky teenager even when he becomes a pensioner waiting for Meals on Wheels. But fair's fair, he did win a Grand Slam at last. "
Will Andy/we never be able to silence jerks like Aizlewood? I don't react to Andy being listed after cricketers on the list but the other scathing remark is bl**dy stupid. That line of comment is so well worn and so old it's got hairs on it.!
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 04:28 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Given the huge efforts many people are making to try and reduce drinking in UK I thought it was a bit crass of Bradley to go on about the free bar at the BBC in his SPOY speech. There is something vaguely anarchic about him - a showman who appeals to the media whereas Andy is just a typical shy and self effacing Scottish lad who is so desperate to win that he swears on court giving some an excuse to disapprove of him. I expect all sportsmen swear certainly in football and  probably Bradley swears like a trooper. Unfortunately a tennis player cannot avoid the constant close-up scrutiny of a camera and this does not help Andy. 

I couldn't agree more.

Andy's problem, if you could call it that, is that a certain type of people desperately want someone to disapprove of, someone they can look down their noses at and tut-tut to their little hearts content, whilst showing not one iota of knowledge about his sport and treating Wimbledon as basically Henley Regatta minus the water and boats, or Ascot minus the horses.

Wiggins, on the other hand, is regarded as a 'character', so he's allowed to open his mouth and say the first thing that comes out of it, regardless of how stupid it is. He's allowed to joke, etc, because he's considered (God forbid) 'a man of the people'.

Personally I'd rather have Andy, even with the odd expletive, than Wiggins any day of the week, because Andy comes across as real. For all Wiggins' down to earth thing, personally I think he comes across as being incredibly false. To my mind he's basically Federer on a bike.
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 02:29 PM
Posted by: Littlebuddha
That is why people get upset about the English press. I think that many people particularly celebs on TV who are asked to go to the regions eg Glasgow or Manchester think they are going to Outer Mongolia. This attitude should be nipped in the bud after all Scots do pay their licence fees and we do have all the modern conveniences. Waken up I think most Scots do get fed up with all the noise from celebs who do not have a clue what life in the "Regions" is about. Anne Robinson and some News readers.More programs should be moved to the North instead of all the cut backs just to please London.
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 01:14 PM
Posted by: MT
Given the huge efforts many people are making to try and reduce drinking in UK I thought it was a bit crass of Bradley to go on about the free bar at the BBC in his SPOY speech. There is something vaguely anarchic about him - a showman who appeals to the media whereas Andy is just a typical shy and self effacing Scottish lad who is so desperate to win that he swears on court giving some an excuse to disapprove of him. I expect all sportsmen swear certainly in football and  probably Bradley swears like a trooper. Unfortunately a tennis player cannot avoid the constant close-up scrutiny of a camera and this does not help Andy. 

I was annoyed when I read this disrespectful comment in Sunday Times - John Aizlewood - an article about  2012 heroes which had Andy near the end of the list after some English cricketers and Neil Lennon!

"Andy Murray : destined to have the demeanour of a sulky teenager even when he becomes a pensioner waiting for Meals on Wheels. But fair's fair, he did win a Grand Slam at last. "
Posted on: January 01, 2013, 08:15 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
^ Wow, you don't like him do you?
Posted on: December 31, 2012, 10:44 PM
Posted by: Grabcopy
Yes he won the Tour De France and Olympic gold without the use of drugs, but for the Tour De France,

Unless you count the marijuana.
Posted on: December 31, 2012, 08:12 PM
Posted by: Aileen
There is probably a recognition that Andy is capable of much more -  the others are  played-out, so to speak.  Its really no big deal. The real prizes are those he wins on the courts.
I agree.  Andy is very proud of this honour but he'll be even more proud when he wins more Slams.


British honours system rates Ennis achievement as greater than Andy Murray's. Laughable and embarrassing.
Not only is Jessica the current Olympic heptathlon champion, she's also the former European and world heptathlon champion and the former world indoor pentathlon champion. In addition, she's the current British national record holder for the heptathlon, the indoor pentathlon, the high jump and the 100 metres hurdles.  Excelling in seven different disciplines is no mean feat.
Posted on: December 31, 2012, 07:24 PM
Posted by: Elena
Bradley Wiggins was awarded a CBE in 2008..

And Chris Hoy - MBE in 2005, Knighthood in 2009...

I can't believe she's better than PseudoFed! w00t

No, not from what I've seen! It all seems a bit obvious - but I've only seen retweets by various people.