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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #60 on: November 11, 2011, 10:47 PM »
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Just looked atp site says its 9 - 4 in Feds favour perhaps he was talking about recently.

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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #61 on: November 11, 2011, 10:49 PM »
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If Berdych beats Federer then Federer needs to win WTF undefeated and Andy needs to lose every match.

Wow is that right!! Definately GO TOMAS!!
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #62 on: November 11, 2011, 10:51 PM »
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Berdych has won 3 of the last 4 (with the loss being a 3rd set tie-break). Fed though won the previous 8.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #63 on: November 11, 2011, 10:54 PM »
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Berdych has won 3 of the last 4 (with the loss being a 3rd set tie-break). Fed though won the previous 8.

Sounds good but question must be can he recover in time from todays match to really be able to take it to Smughead.  Really hope so.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #64 on: November 12, 2011, 05:48 AM »
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Andy appeared to let the ball changing incident get into his head for way too long.  I just hope it wasn't that which influenced the outcome of the game.  The calm, confident Andy disappeared and the mumbling, swearing (he was warned by the umpire), hitting trainers Andy reared its ugly head again.  Not nice and I hope that version never returns.
I really thought that Andy had stepped up a level after the Asian swing series of 3 wins. OK his winning steak had to come to an end at some point but it was the return of all the self destructive mannerisms, the swearing, abusing your box, the chunttering etc that was disappointing. I really feel he needs to be mentally stronger at crucial points, e.g. the dispute over the change of balls got to him far too much and affected his game.
Sadly the return of the gurning, petulant Andy, however temporarily, spoilt this match for me.  It's so disappointing when you know that he is capable of self-control, and that when he does exercise that control his game improves considerably.  I do believe though that there has been a change in his behaviour of late, but unfortunately bad habits are not going to disappear overnight.  Perhaps the thing about the balls was an unfortunate error on the part of the umpire, but had Andy let it pass and focussed on the game instead of distracting himself in a futile argument with the umpire, then I believe the outcome of the match could well have been different.  However, whether he could then have gone on to beat Federer is a matter for conjecture.

We're mostly fans on this forum but I do wish that we can raise ourselves beyond blyth and unquestioning adoration, as appears to be the reponse from some  to any form of criticism, however constructive, of our hero!  Come on, being positive is one thing, being critical of others who make an honest if critical observation of our hero is still allowable or is it?  From what I saw of the match it was thehim mental side of Andy's game that was wanting, far more than the technical side even if his first serve was misfiring. So please do not drown out us fans who wish to make a valid point by calls that we are being unfair as we all wish the best for Andy.
Well said.  I've been a member of MW for two years, and I'm fed up with the, fortunately few, "luvvies" on this forum who either cannot or will not remove their rose-tinted specs and wake up to reality but prefer instead to adopt a holier-than-thou attitude towards those who wish to express opinions which are opposite to their own.  Criticism is healthy, and perhaps if they could bring themselves to accept it they might realise that it's possible to criticise Andy and still enjoy being an Andy supporter.

As for the match - if Andy seems to think that it was exciting and fun, then I accept that, but what a player feels and a spectator experiences aren't necessarily going to be the same thing, and this match was no exception.  The positive though is that he doesn't seem despondent, and that can only bode well for the O2.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #65 on: November 12, 2011, 05:55 AM »
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I am afraid I do not know were you get the points from.

If you look at the Rankings on the atp site you will see the points for now.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #66 on: November 12, 2011, 08:22 AM »
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No it's not unquestioning adoration ronpon.  And I've had my criticisms of Andy in my time.  But what annoys me is the way some people - and I don't mean you as you're new to mw after all - jump on Andy from a great height the minute he slips up.  And sometimes they do it with such relish that one feels they enjoy the losses more than the wins!  So that might explain why some of us might seem over-defensive.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #67 on: November 12, 2011, 08:23 AM »
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Regarding Andy's altercation with the umpire, Andy was right. Berdych was down on his serve and to suddenly give out new balls mid game is quite wrong. They give the server a massive advantage. No wonder Andy was annoyed, it looks awfully close to cheating to me.
OK perhaps he hung onto it too long, but the decision probably cost Andy that game and for all we know, the match. Pity he didn't send for the tournament referee.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #68 on: November 12, 2011, 08:27 AM »
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Tough match to watch if you are a diehard Murray fan, I feel as if I have been through the wars. Third set was so stressful that I had to put it on pause and managed to go through a half bottle of black sumbuca and cry in the last point of the match. I was soooooooooo hoping Andy would win. But I'm still an Andy fan eat sh*t or die!
lmao Thanks for making me laugh on this grey morning Chris! hug
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #69 on: November 12, 2011, 09:32 AM »
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Well much as I don't like Berdych I hope he beats Fed today and then goes on to be beaten by Jo-Wilfred tomorrow.  But the irony could be that Andy pushed him so far that he is sore and tired today and Fed, even though not playing his best, will be much less tired and beat him.  So we could face a situation where  had Andy lost in two easy straight sets his chances of staying # 3 would have been enhanced.  I'm not saying I would have wanted him to because what stops me getting downcast is that street fighting man is back in action whereas there was a period when his hunger for winning seemed to have dimmed.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #70 on: November 12, 2011, 09:35 AM »
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Thank God for your posts Aileen.
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #71 on: November 12, 2011, 09:37 AM »
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I also hope Berdych will beat Fed today, even though I don't like him much either. So here's hopping and praying that he will do the job.  pray pray
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #72 on: November 12, 2011, 09:40 AM »
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lmao Thanks for making me laugh on this grey morning Chris! hug

Glad I was able to cheer you up a bit Caz.  hug

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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #73 on: November 12, 2011, 09:55 AM »
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There are two classifications: the race for qualification to the MASTER of London (points earned since January 1, 2011 5200 / 7200 to ANDY) and the ATP rankings, which account for the season. There, Andy has 7780 points and 7530 points Federate. If federate win the semifinal but lost in the semifinals ANDY WILL NUMBER 3 for 10 points! Hope so ....
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Re: Murray bashed out of Paris « Reply #74 on: November 12, 2011, 10:27 AM »
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There are two classifications: the race for qualification to the MASTER of London (points earned since January 1, 2011 5200 / 7200 to ANDY) and the ATP rankings, which account for the season. There, Andy has 7780 points and 7530 points Federate. If federate win the semifinal but lost in the semifinals ANDY WILL NUMBER 3 for 10 points! Hope so ....
Yes the gap in the race is much wider than for the rankings - I guess because smugfed won at 02 last year.  What I'm not clear is why the 02 points come off on Monday, as some have said, when they were gained a week later last year like this year?
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