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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #15 on: March 25, 2011, 11:40 PM »
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Quotes from Andy in the BBC article...

I've played poorly last two weeks, but I was happier with the way that I competed this week than last. Confidence could have something to do with that.

In practice I have been competing well. Especially this week, chasing everything down, playing a lot of good points and feeling good, then in matches I haven't been able to get it going at all.

It's happened to me in the past where I've had bad moments and I've come back well from them.


From Daily Mail:
I’ve been practising better and training hard but on the match court I can’t get anything going. I am p***** off. I don’t want to be playing like this. There was no intensity and my movement was so poor. I don’t know exactly what it is.

Guardian:
I didn't play particularly well. He hardly missed at all in the first set. Made it very difficult for me … he moved the ball around.



Rueters:
There was no consistency on any part of my game, really.

It was just everything really. I didn't play particularly well. He hardly missed at all in the first set, made it very difficult for me. Then I was trying to find a way in the second set, and I just couldn't get anything going at all.

I was trying to get myself back into the match, trying to find ways, trying to run balls down, but I just didn't have that spark.

When you're not playing that well and you're struggling a little bit, you start to miss balls by a few inches, then it is net cords or whatever, challenges and stuff, they seem to go against you more.

In practice I have been competing well, especially this week, chasing everything down, playing a lot of good points and feeling good. Then in the matches I haven't been able to get it going at all.

Competing is something that I have been been able to do well the last few years. It's not that (competing). It's my game. My game was poor.

If you look at the amount of mistakes I made compared with normal and where I was actually hitting the ball...pretty much right in the middle of the court, you can't win playing like that.

You can't win playing the ball in the middle of the court and making 30, 40, unforced errors in a two set match.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #16 on: March 26, 2011, 12:23 AM »
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I've just read in Wikipedia that Dani Vallverdu had a career high in singles of 727 in May 2005 ? Surely this can't be correct ?
I would have expected Andy to take on a coach who has had experience in winning Grand Slams. I know people say about Boris Becker & Jimmy Connors & other Grand Slam winners, but why not a woman, for example Martina Navratilova ? Now that would be something !
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #17 on: March 26, 2011, 12:34 AM »
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I've just read in Wikipedia that Dani Vallverdu had a career high in singles of 727 in May 2005 ? Surely this can't be correct ?
I would have expected Andy to take on a coach who has had experience in winning Grand Slams. I know people say about Boris Becker & Jimmy Connors & other Grand Slam winners, but why not a woman, for example Martina Navratilova ? Now that would be something !

Yeah, sounds about right. The guy should be nothing more than a hitting partner.  Andy calling him a coach is quite frankly an absolute joke.  Andy needs to decide if he wants to have a comfortable, fun time on tour OR masters and slam titles.

Yes, it's important that you feel comfortable with your team but you need someone who will push you and someone who won't take any of your crap.

Right now he is flushing his career down the toilet and it's bloody heartbreaking.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #18 on: March 26, 2011, 12:35 AM »
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Quotes from Andy in the BBC article...

I've played poorly last two weeks, but I was happier with the way that I competed this week than last. Confidence could have something to do with that.

In practice I have been competing well. Especially this week, chasing everything down, playing a lot of good points and feeling good, then in matches I haven't been able to get it going at all.

It's happened to me in the past where I've had bad moments and I've come back well from them.


From Daily Mail:
I’ve been practising better and training hard but on the match court I can’t get anything going. I am p***** off. I don’t want to be playing like this. There was no intensity and my movement was so poor. I don’t know exactly what it is.

Guardian:
I didn't play particularly well. He hardly missed at all in the first set. Made it very difficult for me … he moved the ball around.



Rueters:
There was no consistency on any part of my game, really.

It was just everything really. I didn't play particularly well. He hardly missed at all in the first set, made it very difficult for me. Then I was trying to find a way in the second set, and I just couldn't get anything going at all.

I was trying to get myself back into the match, trying to find ways, trying to run balls down, but I just didn't have that spark.

When you're not playing that well and you're struggling a little bit, you start to miss balls by a few inches, then it is net cords or whatever, challenges and stuff, they seem to go against you more.

In practice I have been competing well, especially this week, chasing everything down, playing a lot of good points and feeling good. Then in the matches I haven't been able to get it going at all.

Competing is something that I have been been able to do well the last few years. It's not that (competing). It's my game. My game was poor.

If you look at the amount of mistakes I made compared with normal and where I was actually hitting the ball...pretty much right in the middle of the court, you can't win playing like that.

You can't win playing the ball in the middle of the court and making 30, 40, unforced errors in a two set match.


Some good quote there Allan.

I'm not entirely sure that Andy's choice of coach is the right one but time will tell.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #19 on: March 26, 2011, 12:47 AM »
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The guy should be nothing more than a hitting partner.  Andy calling him a coach is quite frankly an absolute joke.

Well, tucked away in the article in The Times [Friday] it says "Murray does not actually say that the South American will be his coach..."

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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #20 on: March 26, 2011, 12:59 AM »
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Well, tucked away in the article in The Times [Friday] it says "Murray does not actually say that the South American will be his coach..."



That's what Andy called Dani during the Oz Open.

"Murray does not actually say that the South American will be his coach..."

I haven't read the article BUT can I conclude that Andy doesn't say that Dani 'won't be his coach' either?

I just hope Andy gets rid of Alex and gets someone else.  I think I'm right in saying that Andy's clay court performances have gotten worse over the past 3 years.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #21 on: March 26, 2011, 02:00 AM »
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I'd also add to Allan's quotes this from the tournament website, which basically incorporates most of what has already been said -

“I didn't play particularly well,” disclosed Murray. “He hardly missed at all in the first set.  Made it very difficult for me… he moved the ball around.  When I was sort of hitting most balls crosscourt, he was hitting down the line, slicing, changing the direction of the ball, moving well.”

The second set was more competitive but Murray was still unable to protect his serve, losing it four times. His return game picked up and enabled him to stay in the match but his defensive abilities were not up to his usual standard. “Moving today was so poor like compared with how I normally move.” Murray expanded upon the statement, claiming his work in practice is not translating over to match play.

“In practice I have been competing well, especially this week, chasing everything down, playing a lot of good points and feeling good.  Then in the matches I haven't been able to get it going at all.”


If his work in practice isn't translating over to match play, and he is p****d off by the way he's playing, but doesn't know exactly what the cause is, then it's time he took a damn hard look at himself and his team and asked himself a few probing, if uncomfortable, questions.  Anybody who's ever competed at any level knows, or should know, that it can be easy to play well on the practice courts where there's no pressure, but a whole different thing once you're out there on court in a tournament.

Martina Navratilova said in a recent interview that Murray has the talent to win a GS but lacks the mental toughness.  The worrying thing is that, at the moment, he doesn't even have the mental toughness to beat players he should be thrashing.  For the umpteenth time - Murray badly needs the help of a sports psychologist if he's got any chance of ever getting that mental toughness, along with motivation, consistency, confidence and self-belief.  He seemed to have had most of that at one time, but the last two GS defeats appear to have knocked it all out of him, and he needs help to enable him to find it again.  Also Tim Henman reckons he needs a good tactician in his corner, and that can only come from an objective coach used to coaching top 20 players, who won't take no for an answer, not his best pal.

As IonaRed says - "right now he is flushing his career down the toilet and it's bloody heartbreaking" - but unless and until he does something to rescue it, ultimately it's Murray himself who's going to suffer because he's going to have to live with that failure for the rest of his life, and I truly don't believe that he just wants to play tennis in order to have a comfortable, fun time.

It's also occurred to me that no sponsorship has been forthcoming from the RBS.  I understood they wanted him to front a major tennis initiative.  Given his current form it doesn't surprise me that that idea has probably gone out the window, and goodness knows what Adidas are making of it all.





 
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #22 on: March 26, 2011, 03:24 AM »
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Murray's comments

I've been practising better and training hard but on the match court I can’t get anything going. I am p***** off.


Finally, I've been waiting to hear him say something genuine about his form. Some real emotion for a change.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #23 on: March 26, 2011, 04:52 AM »
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Well, tucked away in the article in The Times [Friday] it says "Murray does not actually say that the South American will be his coach..."

The Scotsman scathingly refers to Dani as being Murray's de facto coach, i.e. he's serving this function without being officially established, whereas at the end of last year Murray announced that Corretja was officially his coach, at least until Wimbledon.  This really makes you wonder just exactly what is going on in his team.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #24 on: March 26, 2011, 05:11 AM »
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so sorry for Andy....I think when he lost Miles.....who was his mentor.....it was his downfall......
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #25 on: March 26, 2011, 05:53 AM »
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If his work in practice isn't translating over to match play, and he is p****d off by the way he's playing, but doesn't know exactly what the cause is, then it's time he took a damn hard look at himself and his team and asked himself a few probing, if uncomfortable, questions.  Anybody who's ever competed at any level knows, or should know, that it can be easy to play well on the practice courts where there's no pressure, but a whole different thing once you're out there on court in a tournament.

They also should know playing well in practice comes long before playing well in matches and so I can't believe for one moment he's doing enough.

As I asked after the AO final, what can he achieve that motivates him?

The answer is quite clearly nothing and sadly I don't believe he's wrong in that belief.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #26 on: March 26, 2011, 08:11 AM »
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He really is a young man in a complete quandry - Andy isn't enjoying this any more than we are and I feel sure he has reached rock bottom with this latest loss to a qualifier - he knows there is something radically wrong and that it is not going to go away with just training and practice.
There must be many people who would love to give him advice but whom should he choose? 'Has he reached that point where he will listen?' is probably the most important question - surely he must see that his way is sending him on a downhill spiral. It would have to be a combination of people really, i.e. someone who loves and understands him as a person and a strong respected professional who can really make an impression on him, someone with whom he can work (Agassi springs to mind but that would be a pipe dream).
As onlookers we will just have to wait and see and hope the right decision is made - he needs help - big time - GO GET IN YOUNG MAN! We're all rootin' for you!
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #27 on: March 26, 2011, 09:07 AM »
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So disapointed with Andy I thought he would pull himself up and make a decent effort in Miami. But his latest
effort was nothing short of terrible.  He seems to be content to stay the way he is and no amount of
advice seems to be getting through to him.  If he continues like this he is going to plummet down the rankings. What a shame to see such a talented player going down the tubes.  I feel so sorry to see him like
this. It's high time for him to take a good look at himself and get a coach who will tell him like it is.  He seems to be surrounded by yes men who do not want to rock the boat.
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #28 on: March 26, 2011, 10:10 AM »
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   Omg Andy lost.
 How disappointing for him, never mind his fans.  I have to say I'm sorry to see some defeatist comments.
  Yes things aren't right with Andy at the moment.
 I'm not an expert on tennis, just love to watch it and Andy in particular.
 Iam sure he is very concerned with the way things are at the moment and keen to get back on track.
 To think he has "maybe peaked" as commented on one post or that" there is no way back" in another, to me is unthinkable!!! I have no idea what it's like to be a top sportsman or how much it takes out of you on every level. What I do know is I couldn't do it!
    I hope Andy and the team work through this and he gets back to his winning ways soon.  He is too good a player not too.
                                   
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Re: Murray beaten by a Junior in Miami « Reply #29 on: March 26, 2011, 11:39 AM »
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I got a good sense of what went on by trailing through the forum on here. It didn't sound pretty.

The news about Vallverdu being appointed coach is interesting, although the rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic phrase comes to mind.

This coaching announcement is a joke isn't it??? Shows us where Andy think his problems are...."Not my fault!" His exit at this stage should be an embarrassment to him. Looks like he's given up on serious tennis to me........
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