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Posted on: April 23, 2010, 05:57 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
Returning to the conversation after being out with a computer virus for a couple of days.  Food for thought here.  But as against these occasional dips, I did think he was playing some of his best tennis at AO prior to the final.  Anyway, I think many of us are agreed he needs some form of help -let's just hope he does come to the same conclusion.  Not sure what to expect in Rome now.
Posted on: April 20, 2010, 02:13 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Aileen, I find that your comments are completely succint and always to the point. I do love reading all your contributions.

However, I believe that there were signs of Andy's coming slump before his defaet by Federer at the AO. Such happenings were ignored by all AM's supporters.

1. Remember how badly he lost to Cilic at USO;
2. Remberer how he lost to Robredo at the Hopman Cup final after being 1 set to the good;
3. Recall how he had difficulty in defeating Verdasco at the ATP finals at the O2 arena.
 
First, thank you for your compliment.  Second, I'm very relieved that somebody else shares my own view, which I have expressed in earlier posts on MW.   Added to your list, there was Andy's rather curious statement after his second singles rubber in the Poland DC tie, that, despite his wrist injury, this was the first match he had enjoyed playing for some time.  Then there was, by his own admission, his lack of preparation for Valencia (which he won despite claiming that he had played "like a fifty-year-old man"), followed by a 3rd round defeat to Stepanek in Paris despite taking the first set 6-1.  True, he was back on court only 16 hours after a tough match against James Blake, but had Andy been better prepared, he could have capitalised on this rather than losing momentum. 
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:59 PM
Posted by: Daisy
I think the link, below, is where the Agassi connection comes from.  As far as I know this Development Programme is run in Las Vegas and Darren Cahill still has an allegiance to Agassi, as well as this Programme.

http://www.press.adidas.com/en/DesktopDefault.aspx/tabid-11/16_read-10035/
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:53 PM
Posted by: OldScotSupport
I've mentioned Agassi before, especially as he was somebody Andy very much looked up to when he was younger, and still does despite all the recent fuss about his drug-taking.  Also it's worth remembering that Agassi won most of his GSs after the age of 27.  But whether Agassi would either be willing, or have the time, to help is another story.

Doesn't take long for media sympathy to disappear.  The honeymoon period after the AO is over, although from what I've read, most seem to be a little perplexed as to what might be causing such a sudden disastrous slump.

It's for reasons of confidence and possibly motivation that I really wish Andy would seek help.  A sports psychologist would be ideal, and he was contacted by the one that treated him in 2007, only the idiot babbled this out to the Miami media when Andy was still in Miami!  Not only tactless but totally unprofessional.

Also I would hope that it's no longer possible for Federer to reach as many GS finals as before.

Aileen, I find that your comments are completely succint and always to the point. I do love reading all your contributions.

However, I believe that there were signs of Andy's coming slump before his defaet by Federer at the AO. Such happenings were ignored by all AM's supporters.

1. Remember how badly he lost to Cilic at USO;
2. Remberer how he lost to Robredo at the Hopman Cup final after being 1 set to the good;
3. Recall how he had difficulty in defeatinf Verdasco at the ATP finals at the O2 arena.

Finally, I am not convinced that Agassi will be beneficial to our young heroes advance, but I am certain that he DOES require some sports psychologist to work with him to remove the mental block that he is suffering from. It is a problem, because Andy is one of the most talented playes in the circuit and his present demise is not good for tennis. Other much less talented players are currently taking advantage. 
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:39 PM
Posted by: Elly
Andy will do what he thinks is right for him, as he's always done, and anyway I realise that we don't know who he's been speaking too as he's not likely to go public about it. 
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Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:38 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Andy will seek help, if that's what he wants - of that I am sure.  Right now, I'm not sure if that's what he wants.
Andy will do what he thinks is right for him, as he's always done, and anyway I realise that we don't know who he's been speaking too as he's not likely to go public about it. 
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:35 PM
Posted by: Elly
I've mentioned Agassi before, especially as he was somebody Andy very much looked up to when he was younger, and still does despite all the recent fuss about his drug-taking.  Also it's worth remembering that Agassi won most of his GSs after the age of 27.  But whether Agassi would either be willing, or have the time, to help is another story.

Doesn't take long for media sympathy to disappear.  The honeymoon period after the AO is over, although from what I've read, most seem to be a little perplexed as to what might be causing such a sudden disastrous slump.

It's for reasons of confidence and possibly motivation that I really wish Andy would seek help.  A sports psychologist would be ideal, and he was contacted by the one that treated him in 2007, only the idiot babbled this out to the Miami media when Andy was still in Miami!  Not only tactless but totally unprofessional.

Also I would hope that it's no longer possible for Federer to reach as many GS finals as before.
Andy will seek help, if that's what he wants - of that I am sure.  Right now, I'm not sure if that's what he wants.
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 05:29 PM
Posted by: Aileen
I've mentioned Agassi before, especially as he was somebody Andy very much looked up to when he was younger, and still does despite all the recent fuss about his drug-taking.  Also it's worth remembering that Agassi won most of his GSs after the age of 27.  But whether Agassi would either be willing, or have the time, to help is another story.

Doesn't take long for media sympathy to disappear.  The honeymoon period after the AO is over, although from what I've read, most seem to be a little perplexed as to what might be causing such a sudden disastrous slump.

It's for reasons of confidence and possibly motivation that I really wish Andy would seek help.  A sports psychologist would be ideal, and he was contacted by the one that treated him in 2007, only the idiot babbled this out to the Miami media when Andy was still in Miami!  Not only tactless but totally unprofessional.

Also I would hope that it's no longer possible for Federer to reach as many GS finals as before.
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 11:42 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Yes, I hadn't thought of that and had assumed AC was playing a bigger role because of his GS experience.
One thing meant to say in last post that perhaps Agassi would be a good person to help him at present given he had his own troubles when on the tour and  the experience of losing in a number of GS finals before winning many.
A rather snide remark in today's Guardian quoting from Express.  Kevin Mitchell (who I don't think is very good) interprets what 'one of his insiders' has said as 'pretty much calling him [Andy] a bottler' because he doesn't have 'the courage' to 'step over the line'.  Reads like rubbish to me but the Express piece on line does put it all down to his loss of confidence since losing to RF in Oz.  I wonder though whether it's as simple as confidence (although his recent run must sap his confidence).  But also about motivation.  Andy has always aimed for the top and if deep down he now feels he can't beat RF in a grand slam then that could have unconsciously affected his motivation. 
Posted on: April 19, 2010, 03:34 AM
Posted by: Aileen
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Going back a few posts, I was wondering Aileen why you said that Corretja is a waste of space?  I'd assumed, perhaps naively, that Andy's improved claycourt performance last year was partly due to him.  But it would seem not?
Corretja's primarily a clay-court specialist, and won his two GSs at the FO.  He was taken on by Andy for the clay-court season last year and was undoubtedly responsible for his improved performance.  Trouble is he now seems to have become a permanent member of Andy's team and I've a horrible suspicion that he's ruining Andy's natural game, which is more suited to hard and grass courts, by effectively turning him into a clay-courter on these surfaces too.  I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.      
Posted on: April 18, 2010, 05:03 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I agree with those of you who have said we shouldn't really be speculating about Andy's relationship - particularly if he reads this forum sometimes according to the welcome email I received.  And I agree with the sentiment that he needs our support at present.  One of the things I hate about his current slump is that it gives an excuse for all those who put him down anyway to have a field day. Like the rest of you, I really care what happens to him even though I've never met him. 
Going back a few posts, I was wondering Aileen why you said that Corretja is a waste of space?  I'd assumed, perhaps naively, that Andy's improved claycourt performance last year was partly due to him.  But it would seem not? Not sure what I think about him practising rather than taking a wild card in Barca - the pundits on Sky seem to think it's the right decision.  As some of you say he needs more matches but another exit like that in MC could shatter his confidence don't you think?   The pessimist in me thinks perhaps he has to hit bottom to get the help some of us think he needs; but I hope I'm wrong.
Posted on: April 18, 2010, 02:33 PM
Posted by: Allan
Well Jamie's been in a relationship for almost a year now so he's probably less of a "ladies man".
Posted on: April 18, 2010, 08:52 AM
Posted by: Mark
Very nice, thanks Smile
Posted on: April 18, 2010, 01:21 AM
Posted by: Aileen
Pretty sure Kim is Andy's first proper girlfriend, I don't think he's ever been a ladies man... as matchpoint says, sounds like Jamie.
I'm sure it's Jamie too - remember the Jamie/Jelena partnership in 2007?  I know their little whispered chats were about tactics, but there was a bit of flirtation there too, and he did admit afterwards he quite fancied her!

Incidentally I came across an interview with Andy and Jamie in the Observer in May 2008.  Maybe some MW members are familiar with it, but this excerpt is interesting, especially Andy's comments on his relationship with Kim:

Which one of you is going to get married first?

JM You'll be engaged by the end of the year, won't you?

AM I've been with the same girl for two-and-a-half years, but I've no plans for getting engaged for at least another three or four years.

Jamie, meanwhile, is clearly out every night...

AM Chasing Britney Spears.

JM [wryly] Jamie likes to enjoy himself.

Did you used to get the girls at school?

JM No, not at all. I was never really into going out until the last two or three years. I had quite a wrong impression of it - as he does too - then I started going out and realising it wasn't just getting drunk and having fights with people, you can have a good time.

AM I think that if you're going out on a regular basis that's the easy way. I think it's much harder to have a relationship than be chasing girls every night.

JM I'm not chasing girls, though, if I'm with my friends. I'm just going out having a good time and maybe some lucky lady gets talked to.

  
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 11:47 PM
Posted by: Mark
Pretty sure Kim is Andy's first proper girlfriend, I don't think he's ever been a ladies man... as matchpoint says, sounds like Jamie.
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 11:47 PM
Posted by: Mollym
Dont go jean I enjoy your posts xxxxx
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 09:16 PM
Posted by: matchpoint
Thought I'd read it was Jamie with the personality for chatting up the girls.
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 05:41 PM
Posted by: amjab
A pal of my son's is from Dunblane and was at school with the Murrays. Although he is not that reliable a source he says that they were both very confident with the opposite sex and Andy was actually a bit of a cad with the ladies. However I suppose that was a long time ago and he and Kim did seem to be very happy together. I'm pretty sure it will be upsetting him. Splitting up is hard to do for anyone. He will find it hard to get through the Wimbledon furore on his own.
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 02:00 PM
Posted by: Aileen
Very understandable actually. Many children who have suffered the breakup of their parents marriage do attach much more importance to their own subsequent relationships. Purely due to the absolute need of not going through the same thing themselves or incurring it on their children.
I go along with that - look at the much publicized on/off relationships of Princes William and Harry.  Given what happened to their parents, no wonder they aren't rushing into marriage - and Andy was only 9 when his parents split.  His comment in his first book that seeing this happen to two people you love "wasn't very nice", has to be a huge understatement.
Posted on: April 17, 2010, 01:32 PM
Posted by: Lucky Loser
Jean, how can you know 'what he wants'
Have you read his book? Would it surprise you that in there he says "I want the relationship (with Kim) to work. A happy family means a lot to me".

My point is that we simply do not know this complex private person. Nor should we presume to - much as we like to speculate.

^ Very understandable actually. Many children who have suffered the breakup of their parents marriage do attach much more importance to their own subsequent relationships. Purely due to the absolute need of not going through the same thing themselves or incurring it on their children.