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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #30 on: May 06, 2011, 06:24 PM »
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On another thread a couple of us said we didn't think Andy had an easy draw. Bellucci is highly dangerous when on song, he's been inconsistent which is why his ranking is lowish.
Andy is so short of match practise, that's an issue and I'm sure the elbow malfunction will be in his mind as well.
I'm frustrated because I feel Andy could be very good on clay but que sera  confused
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #31 on: May 06, 2011, 06:26 PM »
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Think we are all a little guilty of reading too much into this loss. I would not panick just yet. If this double dip so to speak continues into Rome and then on into the French Open, perhaps we should then put our fingers on the alarm button, until then i'll sit tight and see how it all unfolds with our Andy. We've been here before nothings new. However that said, i'm a little confused, as pre madrid Andy was talking up his chances on the red dirt alot, citing the fact that he was practising intensely with Nadal, was feeling good phyisically and mentally. He even went as far as to suggest that he could give Nadal a run for his money. Perhaps this upbeat talk was more about convincing himself that he was ok (injury still an issue?) and not about sending a message to his supporters and future opponents. I'm seriously perplexed by all this up and down and contradictory soundbites!! confused confused

Hi PT.  Don't you find that the more upbeat the message from Andy the more downbeat the performance often is?  I suspect it is partly about trying to convince himself and others that things are better than they are.  But I agree it's too soon to panic.   But it does worry me that he doesn't seem to be that motivated once he's on court against lesser players.  Which is not to detract from Belluci's performance, which I'm glad to say he repeated against Berdych as Jan reports above.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #32 on: May 06, 2011, 07:07 PM »
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Hi PT.  Don't you find that the more upbeat the message from Andy the more downbeat the performance often is?  I suspect it is partly about trying to convince himself and others that things are better than they are.  But I agree it's too soon to panic.   But it does worry me that he doesn't seem to be that motivated once he's on court against lesser players.  Which is not to detract from Belluci's performance, which I'm glad to say he repeated against Berdych as Jan reports above.
I also think the more upbeat his message the higher our expections rise and then comes the disappointment.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #33 on: May 06, 2011, 10:18 PM »
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Don't see why that would be the case. Think


Rome website showing Andy seeded 5 just ahead of Ferrer who interestingly has just taken a set off Novak
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #34 on: May 07, 2011, 12:52 AM »
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Think we are all a little guilty of reading too much into this loss. I would not panick just yet. If this double dip so to speak continues into Rome and then on into the French Open, perhaps we should then put our fingers on the alarm button, until then i'll sit tight and see how it all unfolds with our Andy. We've been here before nothings new. However that said, i'm a little confused, as pre madrid Andy was talking up his chances on the red dirt alot, citing the fact that he was practising intensely with Nadal, was feeling good phyisically and mentally. He even went as far as to suggest that he could give Nadal a run for his money. Perhaps this upbeat talk was more about convincing himself that he was ok (injury still an issue?) and not about sending a message to his supporters and future opponents. I'm seriously perplexed by all this up and down and contradictory soundbites!! confused confused
First: I'm no longer confused by Murray's soundbites because I learnt a while ago that the more upbeat he sounds before tournaments, the more likely he is to come a cropper.  It's what's known as 'kidology'.  I used to be irritated when he played down his chances, but these soundbites are usually followed by good performances.  Now when he uses expressions such as 'pumped up', I feel seriously worried.

Second: A quote from the match report in yesterday's 'Scotsman' (which is never biased in Murray's favour, btw) - "On Saturday I practised with Rafa (Nadal) and I had to stop my practice early because my elbow was sore."

Also, in a BBC interview after the Simon match he said he was having to apply ice to his elbow immediately after playing.  We don't know for sure, but it sounds to me like a case of what's known as tennis elbow, although you don't need to be a tennis player to suffer from it.  I've experienced it once.  It came on very suddenly, quite out of the blue, and it's definitely not a condition that clears up quickly:

Tennis elbow causes pain on the outer side of the elbow because of tiny injuries causing inflammation of tendons around your elbow. In many people, symptoms improve over time just by stopping activities that bring on the symptoms. Painkillers may help to ease the pain until the condition improves. A steroid injection may also ease pain in the short-term. However, the pain often returns. Physiotherapy is another treatment option. Other treatments are sometimes used if symptoms persist.  http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Tennis-Elbow.htm

The blunt truth is that this problem, if not carefully managed, has the potential to keep him out of Rome and possibly even RG.  Rather unfortunate really that, just as he was apparently getting on top of his AO loss, he picks up this injury.    
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #35 on: May 07, 2011, 01:49 AM »
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If it should be that bad - the elbow- I hope he will take out all the time necessary for it to heal properly.  There is no sense in aggravating it.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #36 on: May 07, 2011, 12:56 PM »
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First: I'm no longer confused by Murray's soundbites because I learnt a while ago that the more upbeat he sounds before tournaments, the more likely he is to come a cropper.  It's what's known as 'kidology'.  I used to be irritated when he played down his chances, but these soundbites are usually followed by good performances.  Now when he uses expressions such as 'pumped up', I feel seriously worried.

Second: A quote from the match report in yesterday's 'Scotsman' (which is never biased in Murray's favour, btw) - "On Saturday I practised with Rafa (Nadal) and I had to stop my practice early because my elbow was sore."

Also, in a BBC interview after the Simon match he said he was having to apply ice to his elbow immediately after playing.  We don't know for sure, but it sounds to me like a case of what's known as tennis elbow, although you don't need to be a tennis player to suffer from it.  I've experienced it once.  It came on very suddenly, quite out of the blue, and it's definitely not a condition that clears up quickly:

Tennis elbow causes pain on the outer side of the elbow because of tiny injuries causing inflammation of tendons around your elbow. In many people, symptoms improve over time just by stopping activities that bring on the symptoms. Painkillers may help to ease the pain until the condition improves. A steroid injection may also ease pain in the short-term. However, the pain often returns. Physiotherapy is another treatment option. Other treatments are sometimes used if symptoms persist.  http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Tennis-Elbow.htm

The blunt truth is that this problem, if not carefully managed, has the potential to keep him out of Rome and possibly even RG.  Rather unfortunate really that, just as he was apparently getting on top of his AO loss, he picks up this injury.   


Aileen, you always appear to be reading my mind. Your success in posting before me is that you are on MW during the early hours of the morning when I'm either asleep or reading. However, I absolutely concur with your entire posting.

It would seem to be that Andy's withdrawing from practising with Nadal was missed or ignored by pundits and supporters alike to his detriment.

Moving on to Andy's elbow's weakness.

Yesterday, I accompanied my wife to see a specialist in advance of a pending operation as she has been suffering from constant pain in her shoulder. My wife had been previously informed by her GP that a short course of cortisone injections would help alleviate the pain and it would dissipate speedily. Her consultant refuted this adding and advised that the pending operation was essential. He pointed out that the reason for the pain was that the tendon had been torn and after the operation it could take between 3 and 6 months before all was back to normal.

By having cortisone injections, the relief would only be temporary and would return with greater discomfort. Perhaps this is the situation with Andy? In reality to reachieve the Andy of old and the one who gave the tennis world the aura of up and coming invincibility, an operation followed by a 3 to 6 months rest may be essential.

I do believe that Andy's problem is not of a recent occurrence but possibly goes back to last year when he had the dreadful run after AO 2010. Unfortunately, this is ony conjecture and unless Andy or his Team come clean we shall never know for sure.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #37 on: May 07, 2011, 01:11 PM »
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There's a nice line of excuse invention going on in here.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #38 on: May 07, 2011, 01:16 PM »
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First: I'm no longer confused by Murray's soundbites because I learnt a while ago that the more upbeat he sounds before tournaments, the more likely he is to come a cropper.  It's what's known as 'kidology'.  I used to be irritated when he played down his chances, but these soundbites are usually followed by good performances.  Now when he uses expressions such as 'pumped up', I feel seriously worried.

Second: A quote from the match report in yesterday's 'Scotsman' (which is never biased in Murray's favour, btw) - "On Saturday I practised with Rafa (Nadal) and I had to stop my practice early because my elbow was sore."

Also, in a BBC interview after the Simon match he said he was having to apply ice to his elbow immediately after playing.  We don't know for sure, but it sounds to me like a case of what's known as tennis elbow, although you don't need to be a tennis player to suffer from it.  I've experienced it once.  It came on very suddenly, quite out of the blue, and it's definitely not a condition that clears up quickly:

Tennis elbow causes pain on the outer side of the elbow because of tiny injuries causing inflammation of tendons around your elbow. In many people, symptoms improve over time just by stopping activities that bring on the symptoms. Painkillers may help to ease the pain until the condition improves. A steroid injection may also ease pain in the short-term. However, the pain often returns. Physiotherapy is another treatment option. Other treatments are sometimes used if symptoms persist.  http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Tennis-Elbow.htm

The blunt truth is that this problem, if not carefully managed, has the potential to keep him out of Rome and possibly even RG.  Rather unfortunate really that, just as he was apparently getting on top of his AO loss, he picks up this injury.   

Yes like you Aileen I wince now every time I read he says he's 'pumped' [a horrible expression anyway].  Whistle
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #39 on: May 07, 2011, 02:47 PM »
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There's a nice line of excuse invention going on in here.
There were far more weak forehands than usual making an injury seem a logical explanation.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #40 on: May 07, 2011, 02:56 PM »
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Yes...I'd rather he would do whatever it takes to get it right before he plays any more matches!
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #41 on: May 07, 2011, 03:02 PM »
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His short cross court forehand at times reminds me of when a salmon leaps from the lake only to be plucked out by the bear that's waiting there. It just sit's up, helpless, ready to be devoured.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #42 on: May 07, 2011, 03:48 PM »
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His short cross court forehand at times reminds me of when a salmon leaps from the lake only to be plucked out by the bear that's waiting there. It just sit's up, helpless, ready to be devoured.

It doesn't look correct technically, either. It's an arm ball, without much body rotation.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #43 on: May 07, 2011, 06:20 PM »
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There were far more weak forehands than usual making an injury seem a logical explanation.
Yes and at MC his forehand was pretty good and strong.
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Re: Murray gets waxed by Brazilian « Reply #44 on: May 07, 2011, 07:55 PM »
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Hi PT.  Don't you find that the more upbeat the message from Andy the more downbeat the performance often is?  I suspect it is partly about trying to convince himself and others that things are better than they are.  But I agree it's too soon to panic.   But it does worry me that he doesn't seem to be that motivated once he's on court against lesser players.  Which is not to detract from Belluci's performance, which I'm glad to say he repeated against Berdych as Jan reports above.

Totally agree with you Aileen aswell as iamabritt, when an individual over hypes themself  in any given situation, nine times out of ten, its not how they really feel internally - the term used for this type of behaviour is "misplaced belief". Like you and I both mentioned, it appears that Andy is trying to convince himself that all is well. When infact it is far from well. If he is still feeling the effects of his injured elbow then he should rest it completely and if that means missing Rome and potentially RG then so be it. He will have more chances. And as for the lack of motivation, this will return when Andy starts being 100% honest with himself and chooses to portray himself in the best possible light.
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