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Mark
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #165 on: February 02, 2010, 10:14 AM »
BBC Sport - Sir Alex Ferguson backs Andy Murray for future success
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #166 on: February 02, 2010, 10:47 AM »
Seems to know his stuff.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #167 on: February 02, 2010, 10:55 AM »
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Quote from: Jean on February 02, 2010, 07:00 AM
In my opinion "smuggy" did not beat Andy, Andy beat himself and I'm sure even Andy knows it.
If I hear one more time that Great Britain has not won a slam for 74 years I will scream!!!!
If anybody sees any photos of Andy arriving back in UK could they please post them for me, thank you.
I also don’t believe that Andy lost because he had to play against the greatest ever blah,blah but because he played crap. I am sure he agrees with us which is good. It would be awful for him to believe that no matter how hard he worked or how much he improved he’ll never be able to beat Fed!
Andy needs just to focus on improving (and as he has shown in his other matches I think he’s on the right path) and totally forget about history, deadlines for winning the first slam or comparisons with Fed or the other tennis greats.
( If I hear one more time that Andy is already 22 and hasn’t won a slam yet or that he has to wait until Fed retires I will scream too!!!)
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #168 on: February 02, 2010, 11:36 AM »
Thought I'd come to terms with it, but I still can't believe how he squandered all those set points; and so regularly shovelled his serve into the net. Seemed like he was unable just to take a moment to compose himself. Yes, nervousness and a lack of self-belief seemed the key.
Would hate him to get into a vicious circle where pressure of expectation, both from himself and the media, regularly constricts his game. Maybe a sports psychologist would help.
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« Reply #169 on: February 02, 2010, 03:06 PM »
Quote from: Elly on February 02, 2010, 12:48 AM
I think he convinced a lot of people. Hope you enjoy the forum, Fraser.
Yes, Fraser, welcome from me too. Many thanks for linking that super article - the other ones were very much worth reading too. See you on here again no doubt.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #170 on: February 02, 2010, 03:13 PM »
Jean you must join the forum - we have a couple of contributors from New Zealand but not too many from Aussie. Which part are you from? My bro lives in Margaret River and we've been out twice so we know what a lovely country it is.
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Aran
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #171 on: February 02, 2010, 04:52 PM »
One of the things I think is interesting about Murray is the way in which he appears to need to adapt to new levels before producing his best tennis.
Someone was saying a while back that he said in his rather early auto-biog that being in the changing rooms at Wimbledon made him feel out of his depth, as if he shouldn't be there.
I think he has a curious mix of self-belief and uncertainty. I remember an interview when he was fairly new to the top 10, during the early rounds of a Slam, where he said that he wasn't good enough to be able to take the early rounds for granted. I can't remember if he said '
yet
' or not...;-)
It seems to me that this is a large part of his story to date. Where Nadal apparently believed he was unbeatable on clay from a very early age, where Djokovic came straight past Murray (partly over-emphasised by injury, okay) and put together a run of wins against Murray that you wouldn't have predicted when they were both mid-teens, Murray didn't start off believing that he was going to win big tournaments.
This may be a bit frustrating for his supporters - but it might also be a strength, rather than a weakness. So far, he's never taken defeat as some mentally shattering impossibility - it happens, it doesn't surprise him, and he knows he's got to go and work on particular things to get better. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player in his early twenties go through such a careful, deliberate process of learning and improving.
And the key point, of course, is that whenever he
has
got used to a new level, he has then started to produce the kind of tennis that makes people who really know their onions call him a genius.
He's only got one more level to get used to - the last day of a Grand Slam.
He was obviously over-awed at his first one - completely different from how Nadal was in his first, and Federer himself way back when.
He was
not
over-awed this time - but he
was
clearly suffering from nerves to the extent that he was not able to count on his first serve. It doesn't take a lot of nerves to lose your first serve as a weapon. He wasn't a wreck, he just wasn't quite at his best. When Federer's on form (and I'm not surprised to hear him say that might be the best he's played), NO-ONE beats him without being at their best.
It wouldn't surprise me if it takes one or two more Slam finals before Murray really feels comfortable playing in a Slam final.
But I think I'm right that no-one has ever got to five Slam finals without winning at least one.
I find it pretty hard to imagine Murray not getting to a few more finals in the next couple of years.
And when he genuinely feels comfortable at that stage, I think he could go on to win quite a few of them.
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As a brief PS, I really do feel very sorry for people whose idea of a fun leisure time activity is to try and upset other people.
I hope that all the trolls on here are lucky enough to find something worthwhile and valuable to do with their lives, so that they can have the pleasure of spending their free time being positive about things they enjoy, rather than behaving like bad-tempered children.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #172 on: February 02, 2010, 05:15 PM »
^ Insightful and interesting post, Aran. It certainly rings true for me, and what I can read in Andy so far.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #173 on: February 02, 2010, 06:36 PM »
Here's hoping we're right, Elly!...:-)
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« Reply #174 on: February 02, 2010, 06:37 PM »
Andy is a paradox, aware and confident of his outstanding tennis talent and at the same time down to earth and humble. He has respect for his opponents, sometimes too much, and yet knows he can beat them all. He is more amazed than anyone when he does one of his gasp shots and he wins the point, while beating himself up when he doesn't. He loses to Federer and the world falls in love with him. No wonder Federer is fed up with him, Andy took the headlines and won the hearts, while Federer notched up yet another statistic. Sport is not only about winning, Andy proved that on Sunday. He was very gracious in defeat, especially considering his opponent's pre-match wind-ups, trying bravely to smile through his disappointment until his emotions got the better of him when he was saying how sorry he was for his team and supporters. Andy still has a thing or two to learn when it comes to winning against Federer in a Major, but he showed the Swiss maestro up in terms of manners, humility and sincerity.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #175 on: February 02, 2010, 06:55 PM »
Quote from: wilfried onions on February 02, 2010, 06:37 PM
Andy is a paradox, aware and confident of his outstanding tennis talent and at the same time down to earth and humble. He has respect for his opponents, sometimes too much, and yet knows he can beat them all. He is more amazed than anyone when he does one of his gasp shots and he wins the point, while beating himself up when he doesn't. He loses to Federer and the world falls in love with him. No wonder Federer is fed up with him, Andy took the headlines and won the hearts, while Federer notched up yet another statistic. Sport is not only about winning, Andy proved that on Sunday. He was very gracious in defeat, especially considering his opponent's pre-match wind-ups, trying bravely to smile through his disappointment until his emotions got the better of him when he was saying how sorry he was for his team and supporters. Andy still has a thing or two to learn when it comes to winning against Federer in a Major, but he showed the Swiss maestro up in terms of manners, humility and sincerity.
my feelings exactly
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #176 on: February 02, 2010, 08:43 PM »
Quote from: wilfried onions on February 02, 2010, 06:37 PM
Andy is a paradox, aware and confident of his outstanding tennis talent and at the same time down to earth and humble. He has respect for his opponents, sometimes too much, and yet knows he can beat them all. He is more amazed than anyone when he does one of his gasp shots and he wins the point, while beating himself up when he doesn't. He loses to Federer and the world falls in love with him. No wonder Federer is fed up with him, Andy took the headlines and won the hearts, while Federer notched up yet another statistic. Sport is not only about winning, Andy proved that on Sunday. He was very gracious in defeat, especially considering his opponent's pre-match wind-ups, trying bravely to smile through his disappointment until his emotions got the better of him when he was saying how sorry he was for his team and supporters. Andy still has a thing or two to learn when it comes to winning against Federer in a Major, but he showed the Swiss maestro up in terms of manners, humility and sincerity.
I think thats up there as one of the best posts that I've seen on here. Nice one!
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #177 on: February 02, 2010, 10:55 PM »
Quote from: wilfried onions on February 02, 2010, 06:37 PM
Andy is a paradox, aware and confident of his outstanding tennis talent and at the same time down to earth and humble. He has respect for his opponents, sometimes too much, and yet knows he can beat them all. He is more amazed than anyone when he does one of his gasp shots and he wins the point, while beating himself up when he doesn't. He loses to Federer and the world falls in love with him. No wonder Federer is fed up with him, Andy took the headlines and won the hearts, while Federer notched up yet another statistic. Sport is not only about winning, Andy proved that on Sunday. He was very gracious in defeat, especially considering his opponent's pre-match wind-ups, trying bravely to smile through his disappointment until his emotions got the better of him when he was saying how sorry he was for his team and supporters. Andy still has a thing or two to learn when it comes to winning against Federer in a Major, but he showed the Swiss maestro up in terms of manners, humility and sincerity.
A great post Wilfried. That was very well written. Andy's post match comments were very touching. His tears expressed far more than what words could have conveyed.
I think that if Andy continues to practise his agressive play and net play, the GS breakthrough will come sometimes this year either at Wimbledon or USO although we should not totally discount the FO.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #178 on: February 02, 2010, 11:18 PM »
Quote from: matchpoint on February 02, 2010, 11:36 AM
Would hate him to get into a vicious circle where pressure of expectation, both from himself and the media, regularly constricts his game. Maybe a sports psychologist would help.
I agree, but Andy has shunned the services of a sports psychologist in the past. However, I've a strong feeling that, particularly coming so soon after his break with his long-term girlfriend (which must have had a huge effect on him, especially as he relied a lot on her support), this is the time he really needs expert help. His loss to Federer may have been the catalyst which finally blew the cork off the emotional bottle. Life changes can be very difficult, I know, and people deal with them in their own way. Andy has support from his family and his team, but this simply may not be enough now. Seeking professional advice is not an admission of weakness or defeat but a mature acknowledgement that some objective assistance is needed to get over a difficult hurdle in order to move forward.
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Re: Murray crushed by ruthless Federer
« Reply #179 on: February 03, 2010, 12:28 AM »
Football's my main sport, but I also enjoy tennis. Have a lot of respect for Ferguson who didn't get where he is by sitting on his bum. Seems he appreciates tennis as well. Particularly liked what he said about the best times in his career coming after disappointments. Murray's a great footie fan, who could have had a bright future in that sport if he'd chosen it. Nice if he could have listened to Fergie, but take heart Andy.
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