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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #15 on: February 10, 2011, 05:25 PM »
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^ For me, you can't make the guy something he's not.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.   Cliched, I know, but apt in this instance.  I too think he misses the point, but that's maybe because he either doesn't get it, want to get it, or is oblivious to it.  Any way, it's a mindset that he's perfectly entitled to, but won't see him making much progress now.  He wasn't even at the races in any of the GS finals.  Such a pity, and so frustrating for us fans.  I. for one, wouldn't mind him losing if he showed up and fought for it.  Why he can't/doesn't remains a huge talking point.  He had more drive and determination when he was new on the scene.  We can only rant, rave and be disappointed, but I suppose none of us can get inside his head and know how it feels, or where he is coming from.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #16 on: February 10, 2011, 05:52 PM »
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He's won with Jamie.  They probably give each other lots of confidence.  Maybe Jamie should be Andy's mentor and coach.  Fingers crossed they go all the way in Rotterdam.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #17 on: February 10, 2011, 06:17 PM »
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^ I'm so glad they won.  Not sure about Jamie being his mentor and coach mind. Smile  However, I do think Andy loves to be around his family. I dunno, I sometimes wonder if he's bitten off more than he can chew for him as a person at this stage in his life.  But then again, he's still quite young, and learning.  Hells bells, I'm not young, and still learning!

Obviously, as a fan, I'd love for him to win at least one GS - I think he deserves it for the delight he has given us all and for being the refreshing individual he is.  Unfortunately, life isn't that fair.  As a human being, I'd want for him to do what makes him happy with his life/tennis, and not feel he has to do it for anyone else but him. Winning a GS involves a whole lot of good self esteem and a bit of arrogance, and being in the right 'place' at the right time.  I don't see that from him right now.  I see him getting on his own case whenever he fails to deliver, and the more this happens, the more he tightens up.  it's not nice to watch.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #18 on: February 10, 2011, 09:52 PM »
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All this talk about jet-lag, tiredness, lack of training, a hurt wrist. Jamie and Andy have taken out 2 good players in less than an hour which clearly says what he wanted to do this week. Which is fine but don't make excuses for the singles loss when clearly he just did not want to play. What did Baghdatis say "the way to beat Andy is to play him when he doesnt want to play". From the press conference it would seem we won't see him again until Indian wells. Lets hope he does well with Jamie this week and then gets his head together to play well in the singles. He is a joy to watch when he plays well and a nightmare when he doesn't. 
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #19 on: February 10, 2011, 11:16 PM »
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All this talk about jet-lag, tiredness, lack of training, a hurt wrist. Jamie and Andy have taken out 2 good players in less than an hour which clearly says what he wanted to do this week. Which is fine but don't make excuses for the singles loss when clearly he just did not want to play. What did Baghdatis say "the way to beat Andy is to play him when he doesnt want to play". From the press conference it would seem we won't see him again until Indian wells. Lets hope he does well with Jamie this week and then gets his head together to play well in the singles. He is a joy to watch when he plays well and a nightmare when he doesn't.  

Hi Tessie thanks for that update, maybe in parts your right, but i don't believe its so cut and dry as your making out, obviously playing doubles with your brother even when tired will present you with different set of dynamics than when playing on your own in a singles match. The alleged report of Baghdatis infers alot, and reinforces my own belief that in Andy's camp there is a definate need for a Behavioural/sports Psychologist! that said i hope he takes the rest that he rightly deserves after Rotterdam.........
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #20 on: February 11, 2011, 09:13 AM »
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Andy comments about being less pressure playing with his brother after their doubles match win.

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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #21 on: February 11, 2011, 10:43 AM »
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^ I'm so glad they won.  Not sure about Jamie being his mentor and coach mind. Smile  However, I do think Andy loves to be around his family. I dunno, I sometimes wonder if he's bitten off more than he can chew for him as a person at this stage in his life.  But then again, he's still quite young, and learning.  Hells bells, I'm not young, and still learning!

Obviously, as a fan, I'd love for him to win at least one GS - I think he deserves it for the delight he has given us all and for being the refreshing individual he is.  Unfortunately, life isn't that fair.  As a human being, I'd want for him to do what makes him happy with his life/tennis, and not feel he has to do it for anyone else but him. Winning a GS involves a whole lot of good self esteem and a bit of arrogance, and being in the right 'place' at the right time.  I don't see that from him right now.  I see him getting on his own case whenever he fails to deliver, and the more this happens, the more he tightens up.  it's not nice to watch.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #22 on: February 11, 2011, 12:34 PM »
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After the match Baghdatis was reported as saying he thought Andy was tired. He also went on to saythat when he got to the finals of a GS he was in bed for a week afterwards.
Interestingly Ferrer also crashed out in first round.
Noticed that.  I think it puts some perspective on Andy's loss.  Much too soon after a Slam SF or final to play in a tournament on the other side of the world.

Maybe if Andy had played the doubles first it would have given him a better chance?

^ I'm so glad they won.  Not sure about Jamie being his mentor and coach mind. Smile  However, I do think Andy loves to be around his family. I dunno, I sometimes wonder if he's bitten off more than he can chew for him as a person at this stage in his life.  But then again, he's still quite young, and learning.  Hells bells, I'm not young, and still learning!

Obviously, as a fan, I'd love for him to win at least one GS - I think he deserves it for the delight he has given us all and for being the refreshing individual he is.  Unfortunately, life isn't that fair.  As a human being, I'd want for him to do what makes him happy with his life/tennis, and not feel he has to do it for anyone else but him. Winning a GS involves a whole lot of good self esteem and a bit of arrogance, and being in the right 'place' at the right time.  I don't see that from him right now.  I see him getting on his own case whenever he fails to deliver, and the more this happens, the more he tightens up.  it's not nice to watch.
I don't see anything wrong in players enjoying their life off court as much as possible.  Federer and Nadal obviously do, so why not Andy?  Also Djokovic is reported as saying that his tennis has improved since he got his off-court problems sorted out, so maybe the same might apply to Andy.  Let's face it, this time last year he was struggling with his love-life, and I'm sure that that reflected on his lack of enthusiasm for the game.

I'd like to see him get advice from a Behavioural Psychologist, but maybe if his off-court life stays as stable as possible, that might help his stability on-court.  Also, as you say, he's still maturing and learning.  How many 23 year olds could cope with his lifestyle and the pressure on him, although he doesn't help matters by putting so much pressure on himself.

I'm glad that it seems he's taking a rest before Indian Wells.  No point rushing off to Dubai and playing half-cocked there.  After last year I suspect he's probably about as welcome there as a fart in a space-suit.

 
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #23 on: February 11, 2011, 03:17 PM »
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Maybe if Andy had played the doubles first it would have given him a better chance?
After last year I suspect he's probably about as welcome there as a fart in a space-suit.
 

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Anyone know what happened to Muraays match against Bhupathi/Granollers? Supposed to have started 2.00 pm UK time.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #24 on: February 11, 2011, 03:22 PM »
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TSk, tsk, Aileen. Language, language.

Anyone know what happened to Muraays match against Bhupathi/Granollers? Supposed to have started 2.00 pm UK time.

Berdych pulled out of the second singles match in the afternoon so presumably the Murray's will be on center.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #25 on: February 11, 2011, 03:24 PM »
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Berdych pulled out of the second singles match in the afternoon so presumably the Murray's will be on center.

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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #26 on: February 11, 2011, 05:28 PM »
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Another win in the bag for the brothers.  So if AM lost in the singles because of jet lag, tiredness, etc, etc how comes he's won these two matches with comparative ease ???
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #27 on: February 11, 2011, 05:36 PM »
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Another win in the bag for the brothers.  So if AM lost in the singles because of jet lag, tiredness, etc, etc how comes he's won these two matches with comparative ease ???

Perhaps Jamie has a calming influence on Andy, allowing him to relax on court and give full vent to his skills.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #28 on: February 11, 2011, 05:44 PM »
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Another win in the bag for the brothers.  So if AM lost in the singles because of jet lag, tiredness, etc, etc how comes he's won these two matches with comparative ease ???

Murray needs to run in singles to be sucessful, in doubles he doesn't.
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Re: Murray crushed in Rotterdam « Reply #29 on: February 11, 2011, 06:06 PM »
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Another win in the bag for the brothers.  So if AM lost in the singles because of jet lag, tiredness, etc, etc how comes he's won these two matches with comparative ease ???

He actually said that playing without preasure allows him to do better tho..
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