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Posted on: September 02, 2013, 04:09 PM
Posted by: adb..OH
Nice report, Luke.  Good job, Andy -- again.   cmonandy
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 04:08 PM
Posted by: teejay1
I apologise, and before I get jumped on for not being clear, I should have thanked Gnome for pointing out that Federer has been SCHEDULED for two night matches. The fact that he's only played one is neither here nor there.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 03:58 PM
Posted by: Connor
Of course it counts, it was scheduled to be a night match, the fact that it was postponed is irrelavent.

Well if that's what you want to think, fine.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 03:57 PM
Posted by: The Gnome
Of course it counts, it was scheduled to be a night match, the fact that it was postponed is irrelavent.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 03:52 PM
Posted by: Connor
Djokovic: 2 (Berankis, Sousa)
Nadal: 2 ( Dutra Silva, Kohlschreiber)
Federer: 2 (Zemlja, Mannarino) Zemlja was cancelled and played the next day
Murray: 1 (Llodra)

Only Andy has played on LA out of these 4, if Andy does not get the night match tomorrow.......

Re the conditions, despite what tennis expert Jimmy Arias was dribbling on about in comms, i think Murray was clearly pacing himself to get through the match, Arias seems to think that all that training in Miami must be worthless if he struggles like this, but he should realise the training is more about the recovery aspect, to be able to last a fortnight in these sort of conditions, Andy was running when he needed to in this match, why expend energy when you don't need to?

Yes, but it wasn't played at NIGHT, so it doesn't count, despite it being scheduled for the night previous.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 03:47 PM
Posted by: teejay1
Thanks Gnome, for the inadvertent reassurance that I'm not quite as mad as I thought. I was sure Federer had played two night matches, not one.

I just don't quite understand the criteria, assuming there is one, for who gets on to what courts and when at the USO. If it is down to the potential competitiveness of matches, you could argue that Djokovic, Federer and Nadal have played no one yet (except perhaps Dodig at a stretch) who could really compete, let alone threaten.

I don't buy the idea that Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are more 'box' office' than Andy these days either, not if crowd reactions to him are anything to go by.

As for the conditions, it strikes me that you can't just get used to high humidity, even if you do train for it. New York is notoriously changeable from one day to the next. I'm sure Sky's comms said that was the first time it had been that humid. I agree with you though, training is about being able to handle potential 5 setters and being able to recover to play for the fortnight.

The only thing that did worry me was Andy's FSP early on, but I'm sure having to change the ball toss because of the wind was a lot to do with that. The point was that he found the serve again for the tie-break.

Ruthie, like you I am disgusted by the way Ferrer is being treated. The man is top four but you'd never know. I mean, Grandstand! I'm sure he won't care, but it's so disrespectful.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 02:42 PM
Posted by: The Gnome
Djokovic: 2 (Berankis, Sousa)
Nadal: 2 ( Dutra Silva, Kohlschreiber)
Federer: 2 (Zemlja, Mannarino) Zemlja was cancelled and played the next day
Murray: 1 (Llodra)

Only Andy has played on LA out of these 4, if Andy does not get the night match tomorrow.......

Re the conditions, despite what tennis expert Jimmy Arias was dribbling on about in comms, i think Murray was clearly pacing himself to get through the match, Arias seems to think that all that training in Miami must be worthless if he struggles like this, but he should realise the training is more about the recovery aspect, to be able to last a fortnight in these sort of conditions, Andy was running when he needed to in this match, why expend energy when you don't need to?
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 02:18 PM
Posted by: Mackem
if the threatened storms materialise, playing at night might not necessarily be an advantage should it mean being pushed into the next day and having to play two days in succession. That was one reason I thought it wrong that Andy was given the night match for his first round - at that particular point it could have been a real disadvantage given he was starting the last of the main contenders for the title.   As it happened it worked out well but it might not have done.  Let's see what happens tomorrow.  In the meantime I'm getting increasingly incensed at the treatment of David Ferrer out on Grandstand yet again.
Andy was indeed very lucky to finish the Llodra match without delays.  The rain was spitting on and off the whole of the DP match beforehand and there were odd raindrops falling for the whole of Andy's match.  I kept looking up to the sky for some clear skies but it was just blackness (being night!)
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 02:17 PM
Posted by: ProdigyEng
Andy proved why he is a Champion last night. Struggled with the conditions at first, persevered, and then really settled in the final two sets. Good work Muzz.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 02:15 PM
Posted by: Mackem
Nadal v Harrison was last daytime match - I should know - I was there!
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 02:02 PM
Posted by: The Gnome
Night match count:

Djokovic: 2 (Berankis, Sousa)
Nadal: 2 ( Dutra Silva, Kohlschreiber)
Federer: 2 (Zemlja, Mannarino) Zemlja was cancelled and played the next day
Murray: 1 (Llodra)


Fixed

I do expect Andy to get a night match though for his game against Istomin on Tuesday.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 11:17 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
if the threatened storms materialise, playing at night might not necessarily be an advantage should it mean being pushed into the next day and having to play two days in succession. That was one reason I thought it wrong that Andy was given the night match for his first round - at that particular point it could have been a real disadvantage given he was starting the last of the main contenders for the title.   As it happened it worked out well but it might not have done.  Let's see what happens tomorrow.  In the meantime I'm getting increasingly incensed at the treatment of David Ferrer out on Grandstand yet again.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 10:22 AM
Posted by: teejay1
Night match count:

Djokovic: 2 (Berankis, Sousa)
Nadal: 2 (Harrison, Dutra Silva)
Federer: 1 (Mannarino)
Murray: 1 (Llodra)

There isn't much difference.

PS: You have also proven my point, you complained heavily about the timing of the Llodra match, saying it should have been a day match, now you are complaining about the amount of night matches Andy has had. It was inevitable it would happen, so thank you for proving me right.

Er, excuse me Gangsta, I said Andy having a night match was probably good for him thank you. I was one of the few who was pleased to see him get the night match.

My argument was with the organisers asking him when he wanted to play. He said Tuesday, so they gave him Wednesday. They also gave Andy the impression he would be on earlier in the day,  but he wasn't. I was annoyed with the confusion, not with Andy playing the night match at all, but feel free to think what you like if it helps you.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 09:59 AM
Posted by: tamila
My American son-in-law, who is here on holiday, says that just to move about in New York when the conditions are like they were last night let alone play tennis.  He spends quite a bit of time there.  He says when you get the mist breathing is very difficult indeed.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 09:07 AM
Posted by: Connor
Exactly.

To be honest I think Andy has won easily enough. Sure, it took him a little while to subdue Leo Mayer, but I think you can almost discount anything he does on Armstrong providing he wins. Andy hates Armstrong, it makes him nervous and that has a bearing on his tennis, but as long as he gets through its fine and dandy.

Andy has played three very different opponents on two different courts (I will flip if he has to play on Armstrong again this year) and in different conditions. It's almost like the organisers have tried to make it hard. On the other hand, the others three have played no one who could threaten, even allowing for Dodig putting up a bit of a fight against Nadal. The amount of night matches they have played compared to Andy strikes me as unfair as well.

I just think the media gets carried away. Andy looks in great form to me.

Night match count:

Djokovic: 2 (Berankis, Sousa)
Nadal: 2 (Harrison, Dutra Silva)
Federer: 1 (Mannarino)
Murray: 1 (Llodra)

There isn't much difference.

PS: You have also proven my point, you complained heavily about the timing of the Llodra match, saying it should have been a day match, now you are complaining about the amount of night matches Andy has had. It was inevitable it would happen, so thank you for proving me right.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 08:55 AM
Posted by: teejay1
A very good report, and Andy certainly showed his determination to win despite the humid and hot conditions and a tricky opponent.
I find it very difficult to understand the media, if we look at the opponents Andy has faced to those Nada, Nole and Fed have faced. No wonder they have won easily,also having the added help of the organisers of playing on AA and nowhere else. Once Andy is on a level playing field we will see how easily they get through their coming matches. Whistle

Exactly.

To be honest I think Andy has won easily enough. Sure, it took him a little while to subdue Leo Mayer, but I think you can almost discount anything he does on Armstrong providing he wins. Andy hates Armstrong, it makes him nervous and that has a bearing on his tennis, but as long as he gets through its fine and dandy.

Andy has played three very different opponents on two different courts (I will flip if he has to play on Armstrong again this year) and in different conditions. It's almost like the organisers have tried to make it hard. On the other hand, the others three have played no one who could threaten, even allowing for Dodig putting up a bit of a fight against Nadal. The amount of night matches they have played compared to Andy strikes me as unfair as well.

I just think the media gets carried away. Andy looks in great form to me.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 08:05 AM
Posted by: michelle
A very good report, and Andy certainly showed his determination to win despite the humid and hot conditions and a tricky opponent.
I find it very difficult to understand the media, if we look at the opponents Andy has faced to those Nada, Nole and Fed have faced. No wonder they have won easily,also having the added help of the organisers of playing on AA and nowhere else. Once Andy is on a level playing field we will see how easily they get through their coming matches. Whistle
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 07:47 AM
Posted by: BigNose
Murray will now take on Denis Istomin in the fourth round as he looks to make his 11th successive quarter-final at grand slam level.

Unfortunately Andy missed the French so this stat will never find its way into the official tennis records.
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 07:01 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Thanx for the report. clap
 Looks as if after the almost normal, Andy early slow start, Mr Magic showed up again yahooo
Posted on: September 02, 2013, 03:46 AM
Posted by: Apollo
Nice article very detailed. Hope Andy gets a night match next where it will be humid but not as hot.