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Posted on: July 10, 2012, 06:23 PM
Posted by: teejay1
With this one I just think Andy was beaten by someone who, though he is more than a clay court specialist, is a clay court specialist, if you know what I mean.

Andy has never beaten Ferrer on the clay. I think it is as simple as that.

I do think the back might have been an issue in the match, though Andy would never use it as an excuse. The clay is a tough surface if you aren't fully fit, and I don't believe for a second that Andy was. Frankly I don't think he was for Wimbledon either, even bearing in mind how well he did, but grass is slightly easier on the body than clay.

Still, quarter finals at Roland Garros isn't bad. It was brave of him to fight on after the second round.
Posted on: June 12, 2012, 02:45 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
^ lol
Posted on: June 11, 2012, 09:21 PM
Posted by: robbie
Can say the same for every player in the top 10.

Which leads me to believe it's the calm before the storm..
So Andy,s just lurking Lurking?
Posted on: June 11, 2012, 08:54 PM
Posted by: Lurking
Anyone else starting to feel that watching Murray is becoming a little sad, inevitable and predictable?

I can predict the rest of the season - a Masters title, a decent run of two 250 wins in the autumn and a semi-final spot at Wimbledon and the US.

Sorry, folks. Just the way I feel. I can't see a way forward in the slams.

Can say the same for every player in the top 10.

Which leads me to believe it's the calm before the storm..
Posted on: June 10, 2012, 08:23 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
He offered a number of times, during the time Andy was was without a coach, it was reported in the press and he also said it either during Wimbledon or USA slam, I think it should be remembered he didn't like Lendl so that could be the reason for his last criticism of Andy and where he is with Lendl.
He's never forgiven Lendl for beating him at RG and preventing him win all 4 slams.  And called him a machine I think.  That said he's been a breath of fresh air in BBC's wimbledon commentary and always have loved his tennis.
Posted on: June 10, 2012, 02:08 PM
Posted by: michelle
I get Johnny Mac as commentator and have listened to him for many years at all the majors.  Can't rememember him offering Andy advice/coaching and being turned down? confused I'm happy to be proven wrong.  I do remember he offered to coach Fed around 2009 and there was a fair bit of media about that at the time.
I really enjoy his commentary, and he always seems to be well informed and very pro-Andy.  Comes across as liking him and gives very fair and positive commentary.
Can't say the same for his brother. He's definitely not a fan of Andy.
He offered a number of times, during the time Andy was was without a coach, it was reported in the press and he also said it either during Wimbledon or USA slam, I think it should be remembered he didn't like Lendl so that could be the reason for his last criticism of Andy and where he is with Lendl.
Posted on: June 10, 2012, 02:02 PM
Posted by: scotnadian
I get Johnny Mac as commentator and have listened to him for many years at all the majors.  Can't rememember him offering Andy advice/coaching and being turned down? confused I'm happy to be proven wrong.  I do remember he offered to coach Fed around 2009 and there was a fair bit of media about that at the time.
I really enjoy his commentary, and he always seems to be well informed and very pro-Andy.  Comes across as liking him and gives very fair and positive commentary.
Can't say the same for his brother. He's definitely not a fan of Andy.
Posted on: June 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
Posted by: Ruthie
I quite agree these ex players should shut up. Petchy never reached the heights of murray but behind the TV lens he thinks he knows it. i know he coached Andy for awaile but let it be,
Andy is improving by the minute,it will all click, before we know it. Have faith, Lendl would not have taken on the job, that i know.
Actually Petchey is usually fair in his comments about Andy and is ultimately very supportive of him.  While I'm a fan of Johnnie Mac I fear he's allowed his hatred of Lendl to get the better of him.  I seem to remember him saying once he'd offered to give Andy advice and I don't think Andy took it up so I guess he wasn't too pleased when he saw Andy hitch up with Lendl.
I agree with bbh's earlier post about Andy fhs.  I think the old Andy would have gone back to his traditional mode of play once it was clear the fh was misfiring but instead he stuck with it and the more he uses it the more he will be drilling it up the line eventually .  yay
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 10:07 PM
Posted by: syc23
I didn't catch the SF between Rafa and David but am sure if Andy had got through, he would have given Nadal a better game.

Let's see how Ferrer matches up to Andy next time on HC or grass.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 08:30 PM
Posted by: jdonald
I quite agree these ex players should shut up. Petchy never reached the heights of murray but behind the TV lens he thinks he knows it. i know he coached Andy for awaile but let it be,
Andy is improving by the minute,it will all click, before we know it. Have faith, Lendl would not have taken on the job, that i know.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 04:18 PM
Posted by: blueberryhill
Don't think it's "luck" for Nole. Think it's sheer bloody minded refusal to lose clap
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 02:47 PM
Posted by: Fiverings
I tend to agree, there have been several occasions when Novak has appeared to me to be verging on the supernatural with his skill and his luck, not so sure about Rafa though - he is definitely vulnerable away from clay.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 02:47 PM
Posted by: reef
After reading all the posts I felt I must put in my two pennyworth
I honestly think after watching the semi finals at RG that Novak and Rafa are a class apart from the other players, especially on clay,I think this is the problem Andy has playing in an era with the likes of Rafa and Novak, I just hope Andy does one day win a GS but if he doesn't , he still will remain the best British player we have had since FP  and we should all be proud of him.
When you think Berydch, Tsonga, and Ferrer all in the top 10 have not even got near to winning a GS


Good points - nevertheless if Andy doesn't win a GS, I would feel his disappointment.  It clearly means so much to him.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 02:24 PM
Posted by: jillypops
After reading all the posts I felt I must put in my two pennyworth
I honestly think after watching the semi finals at RG that Novak and Rafa are a class apart from the other players, especially on clay,I think this is the problem Andy has playing in an era with the likes of Rafa and Novak, I just hope Andy does one day win a GS but if he doesn't , he still will remain the best British player we have had since FP  and we should all be proud of him.
When you think Berydch, Tsonga, and Ferrer all in the top 10 have not even got near to winning a GS
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 02:16 PM
Posted by: OldScotSupport
Really! I just wish the best for Andy. Whether or not he is to win a Slam, he will remain a superb tennis player.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 01:31 PM
Posted by: Aileen
... As for the forehand, apparently, according to Courier, that's what Andy and Lendl spend most of their time together working on and lately we have indeed  seen a few mighty ripping forehands. As Andy works on it and tries it out as he did against Ferrer, we are going to see a higher UE count than we normally expect from Andy. He is literally changing his game in front of our eyes. How brave is that?
Forehand + consistency = slam  yay
Thanks for the encouraging info.  Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to watch all Andy's matches at RG.  Yes, things will take time to sort themselves out and probably good that Andy was trying out things on a surface he's not expected to do well on.  Onwards and upwards on grass and clay!!
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 12:59 PM
Posted by: Fiverings
And me. I am not sure that he will manage a GS. I hope he does for his sake, not to mention the fact that if he did become Britains first GS tennis player  in about 80 years the powers that be would probably want to knight him. This I feel would be a really satisfying way of getting back at his many detractors.  Regardless on a good day he is an inspired tennis player, and a complex, fascinating character. If all I wanted was relentless GS victories, arrogance and boring tennis I would follow one of the "robots". He still makes me bang my head against the wall mind you, but better a functioning human being than a completely mechanical tennis machine. What you see is what you get with Murray. The exciting and frustrating bit is you can't predict from day to day or match to match what or who will walk onto the court wearing his face. Keep the faith.....
  I actually couldn't give a stuff if he never got a gong, the trophies are the prize. There's nothing worse in my opinion than the establishment trying to buy into the success of self-made men and women. I like to think Andy feels the same, but maybe not.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 11:59 AM
Posted by: Elena
Sorry if this has been said but I got fed up with all the negativity by page 5 I stopped reading.  Andy said himself he's  criticised if he does and if he doesn't. We all knew there would be an adjustment period when Lendl came on board and 12 months ago everyone was screaming be more aggressive he does it and guess what we criticise. Who's right here Andy me thinks. Considering I was screaming for him to retire last week I am proud of him for both getting to the qtrs and for being prepared to go for it. Ok it didn't work. (this time).  I for one am still a believer. Anyone out there with me?
I'm a believer too Tessie. And you should read page 5,6,7 - especially MMs post.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 10:00 AM
Posted by: reef
I will always support Andy, through thick and thin.  He is a special talent, a flawed genius who I would love to see achieve what his hard work deserves.  I love watching him compete, okay the lows are low, but the highs tend to be pretty spectacular, remember that match at Queens when he dismantled Andy Roddick with a display of tennis that was spectacular.  He is a genuine bloke, who wears his heart on his sleeve, his humility is real (take note Rafa), he has no arrogance ( take note Fed).  He has done wonders to raise the profile of British tennis (take note LTA) and there is never a more true saying than "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" and I reckon there will be a lot of people, when Andy finally hangs up his rackets, who will then feel the void in British tennis.

Finally, I love his fight, spirit and his "bloody mindedness" cos that is what has got him to where he is. 

I love this post, Murray Magic.
`Flawed genius' indeed.  I described him to someone the other day (who was Murray-bashing), as a `tortured genius'.  No matter - genius he is, probably more naturally talented than any other tennis player, and that's what is so frustrating.  But if only the media, the British public et al would get behind him, I believe it would make a massive difference.
Posted on: June 09, 2012, 07:59 AM
Posted by: blueberryhill
michelle, you've got to just laugh sometimes, otherwise you would cry hug