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Posted on: August 02, 2012, 09:28 AM
Posted by: teejay1
Hi All,

Great report TMH. clap

I want one of you who understands the technicalities of the game better than I do to consider a thought I've had and tell me if you think I might be right or wrong. I won't mind being told I don't know what I'm talking about, honest lol.

It occurs to me that one of Andy's main strengths is how good his hands are. Everyone seems to say that about him, and the evidence for it is clear. However, does that suggest that timing the ball correctly is vital to his game? It would seem so to me, but I don't understand the game in a big technical sense, so maybe those of you who play the game could put me right.

It just occurs to me that Andy's biggest issue in that first set was that his timing was just that bit off because of the conditions. To be fair, Baggy was struggling at times too in that first set, but he just managed to deal with the conditions that bit better than Andy at first. I think it came down to Andy having been under the roof for two matches, whereas Baggy was out in the open, so he would have been more used to the conditions. I think Andy was playing a cautious game in that first set too, because of the conditions, maybe just a bit too cautious, allowing Baggy to dictate too much.

I do think Andy was more nervous for this one than the first couple of rounds. His reaction to the win said it all. He knows how good Baggy can be, what a potential threat he is. The thing that struck again though was that though he got frustrated with himself at times, he managed to keep a lid on it well. Yes, he muttered a bit at times, but I think that's all right. He wants to do well, he is bound to get edgy when things aren't going his way. The thing I still feel is so positive for him though, is the way he moves on from frustration so much better now, and to my mind yesterday was a classic example. I think he is learning to use the frustration to help him now, rather than allowing it to overtake him. To my mind it helps him to think more clearly and find that other gear.

I was nervous for Andy yesterday, I'll admit that, but I also felt he would find a way through. I just think he copes so much better with adversity now and looks for a way in, it makes watching him, even through tense times, a lot easier.

I must say as well that the crowd helped Andy so much yesterday. The feeling of them being right behind him was palpable. I still think we should demand that we keep this lot and ditch the Pimm's brigade. The good thing about the crowds is that they are supportive (especially of Andy), but they haven't been stupid. They don't call out during play, that sort of thing, which has been known to happen at the Championships.

Posted on: August 02, 2012, 08:57 AM
Posted by: Ruthie
Was on  a train so couldn't watch but such  a good report tmh which has given me a good feel for it. I've recorded it so will skip first set I think. Can't watch today either though will be home in time for dubs,
Like Nishikori so though sorry for Ferrer who I also like am v pleased for him,  And I guess KN must have good chance of making sfs now, Not sure who he plays today, Ah now seen it's delpo so perhaps not but would love Kei to beat delpo.
But most importantly well done Andy sounds like he played some great tennis towards end and so hope he keeps it up today and till sunday. Just as well he's experienced the conditions as its sounds like windy again today and I hear on radio he's on court 1,
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 08:56 AM
Posted by: Sir Panda
Nice lengthy report Luke, tomorrow should be an easier match. Fingers crossed.
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 08:20 AM
Posted by: Sootie
Andy has been playing superbly after his Wimbledon defeat.  I have the feeling he has become more confident and now determined to get a good win behind him whether it the Olympics or  a Salem.  I know he will do it. His attitiude has changed his all demeanor.  Well done Andy you have grown up overnight. Please continue and get to the Medal stage.
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 03:04 AM
Posted by: Aileen
What Andy said:

“At the start of the match it was very windy and it pretty much continued that way,” said Murray. “After playing two matches indoors, where there's none of that to worry about, it did take me (time to get used to the conditions). I was pretty unsure of myself at the beginning of the match, didn't feel comfortable on the court.

“Then, yeah, managed to settle myself down and move my feet better to get in better position in the second set. Played some good tennis after that, but it was very, very different conditions to the first two rounds.”

more at http://2012.itftennis.com/olympics/news/articles/london-2012-day-5-murray-digs-deep-to-outlast-baghdatis.aspx
I suspected that having played two matches under the roof might have had something to do with the jittery start, especially as Andy doesn't like windy conditions anyway.
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 01:20 AM
Posted by: TheMadHatter
Can be watched here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00w2yhs

4:15:52 or option 6. Smile

NB. The video may be removed by tomorrow so if the link is broken that's because the BBC have taken it down.
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 01:15 AM
Posted by: Fiverings
I'm really mad that i missed the match - looks to have been a real entertainment - all down to pressure of work, unfortunately.
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 12:40 AM
Posted by: Emma Jean
Lay off the booze, adb..OH!
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 12:25 AM
Posted by: adb..OH
Well done, Andy!

I'd thought it was tomorrow, darn it, and missed it, except for just happening to catch the glorious ending! (replayed)
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 12:14 AM
Posted by: ljs
I was freaking after the 1st set , sooo glad he managed to turn it around and win.
He played some nice stuff the 2nd and 3rd sets
More of the same 2morrow hopefully !!!!
Posted on: August 02, 2012, 12:00 AM
Posted by: Elena
What Andy said:

“At the start of the match it was very windy and it pretty much continued that way,” said Murray. “After playing two matches indoors, where there's none of that to worry about, it did take me (time to get used to the conditions). I was pretty unsure of myself at the beginning of the match, didn't feel comfortable on the court.

“Then, yeah, managed to settle myself down and move my feet better to get in better position in the second set. Played some good tennis after that, but it was very, very different conditions to the first two rounds.”

more at http://2012.itftennis.com/olympics/news/articles/london-2012-day-5-murray-digs-deep-to-outlast-baghdatis.aspx
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 11:50 PM
Posted by: Rachie
Nice report Mh..unfortuantely i didnt see the match but i now have a good idea of how it went down!

I agree Aileen it just takes him too long to settle sometimes, esp against lower ranked oppeants he just starts off dead cagey its like his automatic reaction is to put balls in play at the beginning of a match rather than start off positive. Which is why now I think he is a far better GS player than anything else because it takes him an hour to adapt to conditions/oppeants, and by that time he'll be a set and a break down in BO3!!
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 10:54 PM
Posted by: alisonfiner
Andy has really impressed me in during the Olympics.  He seems to be hitting the ball great.  He came back strongly after a shaky start and seems to be carrying on with the same strong mental attitude that he showed during Wimbledon, by not letting the loss of the 1st set get to him.   
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:29 PM
Posted by: lashurst
A bit of an upset - Kei Nishikori beat David Ferrer in 3 sets.

Very nice to see Nishikori having more success (sad for Daveed though, he's so good) he's got potenial that guy.
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:18 PM
Posted by: Aileen
My goodness MW is really making you work, MH!   Another excellent report though.  Really gives you the feel of the match, the end of which had my nerves in shreds even although I was sure Andy would prevail.  Baggy certainly wasn't going to go quietly.

Yes I know we should have faith in Andy, but he does seem to like giving his fans a few frights!  Also it's a bit disappointing that he's so easily put off if the playing conditions aren't right, as he seemed to be by the wind in the first set.  Hopefully the weather will be calmer tomorrow.

Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:18 PM
Posted by: caroline
Well done Andy,so pleased for you yay
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:17 PM
Posted by: michelle
Up to today's match all Andy's matches have been under the roof, whereas Baggy has played all his outside therefore more used to the windy conditions, this I think is the reason that Andy had difficulty with his shots and serve. By the second set he was able to master the conditions.
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:10 PM
Posted by: Emma Jean
He does have a habit of starting slow, finding his way into the match then ending it somewhere near his best. Gasquet at RG was perhaps the best example of this, Ferrer at Wimbledon too. Lately he's definitely improved in this area though - the last four matches in a row (prior to today) he's got off to great starts. Today unfortunately it was the Murray of old first set, largely down to the conditions I imagine.

But we should know by now that we can have faith in Andy to turn it around, because he so often does. Mahut and Garcia-Lopez performances are more an anomaly than the norm, and performances like today, against Ferrer (Wimbledon), Gasquet (RG), Tipsarevic (Miami), etc do seem to happen quite often.

Almagro should be a good match but I'm confident Andy will get through it with relative ease.

Ah, but some will never get it because sometimes Andy does end up losing and it makes them feel right about their predictions.

Anyway, very nice and professional reports, MH on both occasion.
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 09:00 PM
Posted by: TheMadHatter
He does have a habit of starting slow, finding his way into the match then ending it somewhere near his best. Gasquet at RG was perhaps the best example of this, Ferrer at Wimbledon too. Lately he's definitely improved in this area though - the last four matches in a row (prior to today) he's got off to great starts. Today unfortunately it was the Murray of old first set, largely down to the conditions I imagine.

But we should know by now that we can have faith in Andy to turn it around, because he so often does. Mahut and Garcia-Lopez performances are more an anomaly than the norm, and performances like today, against Ferrer (Wimbledon), Gasquet (RG), Tipsarevic (Miami), etc do seem to happen quite often.

Almagro should be a good match but I'm confident Andy will get through it with relative ease.
Posted on: August 01, 2012, 08:42 PM
Posted by: counter_ puncher
This is the fascinating thing about tennis: you can play poorly in the first set and make us bite our nails, and from point to point you can observe Andy gaining control, swinging more freely, hitting more winners. Awesome. And his relief was so visible after the match. Thank God that he does not hide it.